US Doughboy Help ! more pic.!!

[Grimm]

Hi All
I stard my TaT Us Army for ww1 in the next two weeks but I allready need some informations 
so my first question is
Are these Books a good stard for some background knowledge ?
Did someone have these books ?

osprey
The US Army of World War I (Men-At-Arms Osprey)    
Us Doughboy 1916-19 (Warrior)

next question and very important !!(I think I ask that again ?!?)
Have someone painted Us ww1 Figures and wich color do you use ?
best where from Vallejo colors for me (Number and Name )

Thanks a lot for your help

Grimm

[Calimero]

Maybe this might help you...

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=6953.msg77169#msg77169 

[Helen]

Hi Grimm,

I've the books, but I've not started painting the remainder of my US forces. I also use my Men @ Arms "US Marine Corps in WW1 1917-1918" in addition. Why? because they are a number of plates in the US Army uniforms an it shows a better hue for colour.

There is certainly a contrast in colours from both books based on the artist intpretation. Myself, I'd go for  the Men @ Arms title as this is closer in my mind to the US Army colours alongside the marine title.

Colours I've work with as an example:

I personally find VMC Military green (70925) or Russian Green (70894) far better than Reflective green (70890) and please don't ask me why.

German Cam Medium Brown (70826), Yellow Green (70881), Khaki (70988), Dark Sand (70847), Tan Yellow (70912), Russian Uniform (70924), GW Graveyeard Earth, Khaki Grey (70880) and German C Beige[70821 (mixed)] for webbing (more on the former).

Looking at all my various references an illustrators, not two are alike with their coloured illustrations.

For my US Marines in AEF uniform I'm going for a mix of colours as stated above.

I'm sorry, I can not be of more assistance until I start painting this area in question; however Mike H from Musketeer miniatures fame provided me with a link to a colour convertor:

http://colors.silicon-dragons.com/full_line.php


Good luck and keep us posted.

Helen

[Doc Twilight]

Helen -

Don't suppose you'd have a guess at how the Harlem Hellfighters might vary? I suspect the helmet would be dark green. Would anything else differ in color from the standard kit?

-Doc

[Helen]

Helen -

Don't suppose you'd have a guess at how the Harlem Hellfighters might vary? I suspect the helmet would be dark green. Would anything else differ in color from the standard kit?

-Doc

Hi Doc,

Thanks, I'm no expert on this really. The books I've show these guys both in Adrian and Dishpan helmets, but in the olive green outfits. The Adrian was supposely used in training and followed up by the Dishpan for combat, but I'd go with both especiialy if you are using Brigade Games which incidently, needs soem additional codes.

Looking at the uniform, I'd look at Russian Green, followed by this colour plus more Russian uniform. I'd then use Russian uniform plus a Tan colour, Iraqi sand or Dark Sand. One VMC that I've been using on my Turks is Green Ochre with English uniform an I think this may work in with the other greens as a shade colour.

When I get through some of my painting stack I'll give it a try on my US Marines in AEF uniform.

Helen

[archangel1]

Helen -

Don't suppose you'd have a guess at how the Harlem Hellfighters might vary? I suspect the helmet would be dark green. Would anything else differ in color from the standard kit?

-Doc

Obviously not Helen, but I think I can help.    The 369th, under French command, was issued Adrian helmets and French equipment, worn over American uniform.  The helmets were apparently dull blue-gray with a brown leather chinstrap.  Cartridge pouches, belts and bayonet frog were brown leather, haversack is light brown cloth, water bottle is covered in horizon blue cloth with enamelled mug and the gasmask canister is painted khaki.  The US uniform tended towards a browner shade of olive drab.  Leggings were canvas-coloured and boots were brown leather.  The rifles should be Berthiers.

A good reference to look out for is 'World War I Infantry in Colour Photographs' by Laurent Mirouze.  It's 'Europa Militaria N°3' from Windrow & Greene Publishing.  ISBN 1-872004-25-3

[Grimm]

thank you all you will see the figures soon 

Cheers Grimm

[Doc Twilight]

Helen -

Don't suppose you'd have a guess at how the Harlem Hellfighters might vary? I suspect the helmet would be dark green. Would anything else differ in color from the standard kit?

-Doc

Thanks much, Archangel. That's a huge help.

Perhaps, being Canadian, you can help me with one other question.

I've often seen a series of photographs identified as Black Canadian troops. Any idea who these guys might be? On that note, why don't I see photos of Black Canadian troops in WW2?

-Doc


Obviously not Helen, but I think I can help.    The 369th, under French command, was issued Adrian helmets and French equipment, worn over American uniform.  The helmets were apparently dull blue-gray with a brown leather chinstrap.  Cartridge pouches, belts and bayonet frog were brown leather, haversack is light brown cloth, water bottle is covered in horizon blue cloth with enamelled mug and the gasmask canister is painted khaki.  The US uniform tended towards a browner shade of olive drab.  Leggings were canvas-coloured and boots were brown leather.  The rifles should be Berthiers.

A good reference to look out for is 'World War I Infantry in Colour Photographs' by Laurent Mirouze.  It's 'Europa Militaria N°3' from Windrow & Greene Publishing.  ISBN 1-872004-25-3

[archangel1]

Grimm,

Check your email.  Let me know if you get it.

Mike

Edit - Sorry, wrong Grimm!

[Calimero]

Wasn’t the Canadian infantry mixed regiments? (black and white serving in the same units?)

[archangel1]

Wasn’t the Canadian infantry mixed regiments? (black and white serving in the same units?)

I think you're right.  What little I found online, in a brief look, seems to indicate that, once they were finally 'allowed' (nice, huh?  ) to enlist, they fought alongside white soldiers, rather than being segregated.  It's a pity there isn't more information available.  It could be a fascinating story.

[Doc Twilight]

Helen -

Don't suppose you'd have a guess at how the Harlem Hellfighters might vary? I suspect the helmet would be dark green. Would anything else differ in color from the standard kit?

-Doc

Hi Doc,

Thanks, I'm no expert on this really. The books I've show these guys both in Adrian and Dishpan helmets, but in the olive green outfits. The Adrian was supposely used in training and followed up by the Dishpan for combat, but I'd go with both especiialy if you are using Brigade Games which incidently, needs soem additional codes.

Looking at the uniform, I'd look at Russian Green, followed by this colour plus more Russian uniform. I'd then use Russian uniform plus a Tan colour, Iraqi sand or Dark Sand. One VMC that I've been using on my Turks is Green Ochre with English uniform an I think this may work in with the other greens as a shade colour.

When I get through some of my painting stack I'll give it a try on my US Marines in AEF uniform.

Helen

Wow, Helen. I don't know how I missed this reply. But a much belated thank you. I'm grateful! Thinking about doing up some of the 370th infantry for "Through the Mud and Blood".


-Doc

[Grimm]

OK here is my first try
is that ok or i I fail to use the right colors ?
(I still waiting for my osbry book )





Grimm

[Plynkes]

Grimm, old chum, you have got the colours totally wrong. I was just doing some research and found this picture of a doughboy. Seems they wore all-white uniforms, though some units had red-and-white-checked gloves:



  Just kidding! Superb job there, as always.



As far as the colours really go, I couldn't say. My books show a wide variation between a very green kind of khaki (like you have painted), right through to one almost the colour of sand. It seems like with most armies, there was a lot of variation (or all the books are wrong).

[Calimero]

I think that you choose the right colors. The figure on the left look like the one I painted. I’m not 100% sure but I think that the Marines uniforms where greener and the Army uniforms had a more "brownish" shade.

@ Plynkes, I would love to see a wargame table with a unit of these white clad chaps one day!