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Offline Wyrmalla

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #315 on: September 18, 2018, 10:26:41 PM »
And fixed my post to include two bugged images. :P





SASM's Ukrainians turned up today. I'm liking them more than the sculptor's recent work for the 1st Chechen War Kickstarter. With the Chechens they look more like the Lead Adventure range than modern fighters (I mean in terms of posing, clothes, etc). Whilst this set are a bit more grounded.

So far they'll be more Separatists/ militiamen. ...Because I don't already have enough of those. Though as I said, the more mismatched looking soldiers are probably more appropriate. SASM's owner Tim says that he's considered doing his own up as a set of Russian mercenaries, which seems suitable.

Though regardless of what I do with mine, I still want some more uniform looking fighters. I'll probably do with Empress' generic modern fighters with AKs, though its dawning on me that there options for NATO style miniatures with AKs is a bit limited (Empress do Russians, but they're swearing Ratnik, so not wholly appropriate).

And of course as I say all this I'm reminded that I still have that restaurant to finish. Oh. :P

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #316 on: September 19, 2018, 08:46:53 AM »
Cool, definitely not running out of ideas for this - keep up the good work.

and a Drone on order from SASM to go with the Russian Special Forces.

This one?
http://www.kingshobbiesandgames.com/28mm-RAVEN-UAV-p/28mmravenuav.htm

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #317 on: September 19, 2018, 09:01:02 AM »
Nah, this one. :D

http://www.kingshobbiesandgames.com/28mm-Russian-RAS-01G-Unmanned-Combat-Ground-Vehicl-p/28mmras-01g.htm



There's a fair few Russian drone vehicles out there nowadays (in the real world). If someone makes a Boomerang Turret (and if companies are already doing Armatas I don't see why not), then their BMP-3 Drone may be on the table for making a miniature.



As would there be an opportunity to make a BTR-90 based drone if someone happened to make a model of one of those (whilst the order for the BTR-90 was cancelled, around 100 went into service, and a drone variant was developed).



To quote Indie Neidel's The Great War series on Youtube, "This was modern war".



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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #318 on: September 23, 2018, 05:47:01 PM »
Here's a quick round up for the month of September in regards to releases and recent going ons at Special Artizan Service Miniatures.  :)

https://thesticks.net/2018/09/23/special-artizan-service-miniatures-september-news-releases/

*Shill, shill, shill...* ;)

Meanwhile...

I'm currently in the process of painting up two sets of Ukrainian fighters by SASM for my modern collection. Differentiating between the two different groups is a bit daunting, but I'm carrying over some of my existing practices that I've used for the prior fighters. Namely the Nationalists are wearing a bit of NATO and Soviet Camos, and Separatists are welcome to Soviet, Russian and hunting outfits.

Additionally the base model for the restaurant is pretty much done. It just happens to be under a pile of enough crap that I've not taken any pictures of it. The plan's to paint the base building first, then go back in and add the furniture (an idea that's only struck me recently as a good idea. ...Because I'm an idiot). Namely as the building's too tall to effectively stick a paint brush inside and accomplish any respectable level of detail.

Still, regardless of it being a ball ache to build, I'm happy with how its turned out. Though known when to reign in the detail is a concern (which reminds me to make a mould for some light switches and electrical plugs...). Its a pity that if you want any space for the models to actually move you can't stick in too much in the way of a realistic amount of furniture (besides, its a warzone, someone's probably stolen it all anyway).


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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #319 on: September 23, 2018, 06:11:56 PM »
Interesting read, thanks.

Nice to see SASM's HMMWV. I am surprised by metal tyres.

Look forward to seeing the restaurant.

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #320 on: September 24, 2018, 01:05:56 AM »
With the metal tyres. Tim had asked on his site whether people wanted them to be resin or metal, and that was the consensus. Re: butter fingers.

Similarly a lot of his products seem to be driven by the community. ...I know I was asking for more stowage for a while. Which is suppose why I give him the coverage, as he's more open that some companies - just selling the stuff that he thinks is cool (I believe he and Spectre got the idea for those RCWS as a result of the same Facebook post...).


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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #321 on: September 24, 2018, 07:20:27 AM »
Very interested in your posts, you have done an awesome job.

I have managed to avoid modern warfare wargaming for my first 32 years in this hobby, however, that is about to change with my plunge into the Chechen Wars. 

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #322 on: September 30, 2018, 05:02:18 PM »
Its some time since my last post with painted figures in it, so here's what I have to show for it.

Special Artizan Service Miniature's Ukrainian figures arrived just over a week ago and I hurriedly started on them. ...Then I stuttered a bit and took a week to actually finish them. :)

They come as two sets of figures, each sculpted by Igor Karpov and similar in style to the War in Chechyna line which he sculpted recently for Tiny Terrain Models. Though they're distinctive from that set, despite covering a similar subject matter, through the mix of modern and Western equipment featured. Similarly, unlike some miniatures from that line, most of them have a fairly down to earth look about them; rather than the "Grandad's gone off to war with his shotgun" thing. :)






Each squad, whilst in broad terms covers this particular conflict, are distinct from one another in their equipment. Both have a smattering of Soviet gear, in particular AKs of various types. Though also clearly showing their foreign sponsorship. With the Nationalists using the odd AR-15 (not the indigenous built Ukrainian model I'll note), baseball caps and boonie hats, and Separatists having more polymer stocked AK-74s and Russian style chest rigs.







As such, to also set each group apart more, I went for a mix of camo styles. With a baseline of Soviet and civilian clothing, then mixed in with surplussed early-2000s American and British camo (with the odd bit of anachronistic Ukrainian camo from a few different branches) or modern Russian bits (itself looking a bit odd on this rag tag bunch instead of professional soldiers).







The figures in each set are armed identically to one another, at least in broad terms (barring the odd AR-15). A squad of 10, with a PKM machine gun, SVD DMR, RPG-7 and seven figures with just AKs of various types. Which is useful if you're looking to put together a basic squad for each force, but I'd like to have more specialist weapons like RPKs and ideally the various weapons that were in use by the native forces prior to the war (like their bullpup AKs, and FORT's variant of the IMI Tavor). That's just me being picky however, and these work fine at representing 99.9% fighters out there.








On that note, I've picked out a few faces among the Separatists. Two of the Cossack have a resemblance to Alexander Mozhaev & Evgeny Ponomaryov, both figures from the early days of the DNR. The representation of each is good. Ponomaryov's bear's a bit long, and Mozhaev's parts a bit in the middle...but if you're not a beard aficionado they're pretty good. I did my best with the paint jobs, though don't have brushes small enough (or rather that still have their tips) to accurately manage that digi-cam unfortunately.






Of the two sets I can't say which I'm more into. I mean, that someone's doing any official figures for the conflict at all's a wonder. When painting the sets I discovered some Russian camos I'd not seen before in my research, so I think the Separatists are edging it for me in this race, especially with those last two figures who'll do for officers in my existing forces.

As far as what's out there on the market right now, these are more figures to the small pool of companies that're currently doing irregular Eastern European fighters, and certainly take the prize for "most pouches and crap strewn in their webbing". The sculptor's doing something similar with the next War in Chechnya Kickstarter, though admittedly a bit more toned down as its a different period. Ideally a company like Spectre Miniatures will broaden their range at some point to accommodate for this type of figure, but well, to be honest I must have two or three platoons worth of them by now, so there's no rush. ;)



Its been a slow week elsewhere however. I'm just now starting to paint more scatter terrain. In this case being a mix of stuff from Antenociti's Workshop (mostly shipping pallets) that'll do for industrialised tables, or building sites. A pair of Mikromir's 1/48th scale BTR-60s arrived from Ukraine too. ...Though my first impressions of those would be that seeing as they're the only representation of this vehicle in the scale, I should temper my complaints. Having one now at least means that there's the potential to make some of the modern variants based on the chassis, like the Ukrainian Otaman (which I'd just use the wheels and dimensions as a basis for, similar to what I did with the BTR-4) or a Russian commercial venture which gave it a 30mm BPPU turret.




Elsewhere I'm being tempted to paint some Russian special forces. Specifically taking a mix of the existing figures on the market right now, replacing their heads with Empress' set with ballistic face plates and then painting them in all black. Which will then be paired with a BTR-80A (or at a stretch a BTR-82, but I'm doubting that anyone will be able to spot the difference). I've since picked up a trio of BTR-80s from Empress, which will go along with a 2S9 NONA turret from HLBS to make a NONA SVK SPG for my Russian forces (and the remaining BTR-80 will probably be used as is).




Speaking of Empress, I keep tempting myself to go ahead and buy a T-14 Armata, but I've yet to pull the trigger. With it still being the tank of tomorrow I'm hesitant over what to do with it. As buying an Armata would then mean me also wanting to make some of the other future Russian vehicles like the T-15 to go with it. Then I'd have to go ahead and make some Russians in exoskeletons for the full effect. I was convincing myself that I could use some of the parts along with their T-90 kit to make one of the latest modernisation of that tank too. Though in reality, considering we can barely play games above a squad level in 28mm at my club, let along with tanks of futuristic remote controlled death, the whole project may be overkill.

Still, I already have so much crap which I never use as it is, sneaking in an Armata isn't looking like such of a bad idea after all. ;)

Hmn, now I wonder when that SASM tracked drone which I ordered for the Russians will show up...? :)

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #323 on: October 01, 2018, 09:22:11 PM »
A bit of a change of pace with today's post. No new miniatures to show off, rather just an update on current and future projects.

Its another week without pictures of that restaurant which I'd mentioned and shown off in a WIP state a while ago. The overall build is now complete, with just a bit of tidy up left to do on the first floor before its ready to paint. Where the remaining work lies besides the building is finding the appropriate furniture and interior details, which for the most part was done last month. These will be painted separately from the building, then added in at a later time.


On which note, I took a trip to Edinburgh today. Having stripped the local model shops within walking distance of Glasgow of all available supplies, the next stop was the capital. There I found model shops are less thick on the ground than locally, but the two I did visit were a bit larger than I'm used to.



(Chargedog can probably attest that that's not even half that particular shop... The replica guns in the back next to the kids toys were a nice touch :D)

Most of the pickings then was for terrain purposes. Textured plasticard and vacu-form sheets that'll do for brick work, corrugated metal, etc. In particular those vacu-form sheets are something which the Glaswegian shops were no help at all in sourcing (at least the ones that are still open, I used to buy reams of the stuff when I was making shacks for my Fallout collection years ago). Those will do great for larger buildings without having to resort to the plasticard I was using, and are such an easy way of adding detail with minimal effort.

I also found an elusive Tamiya IS-2 for a reasonable price. Not that I know what I'll do with it, but I'd travelled all that way and was looking to justify the trip. Potentially it'll appear just as a regular old IS-2 on another War Memorial. Or I could give it some new fenders and have it be a IS-2M, now in service with the Separatists. I've even considered rebuilding it as an IS-3, as its not like there's any of those in 1/48th, but haven't researched how comparable the two vehicles are (besides knowing the interiors are fairly similar).



And as an aside I came across a set of 1/350th Japanese boats. ...An odd purchase admittedly, though they're for a potential side project which I've been pondering. I'll have to plan out the idea further, but the idea's been to have some little figures using some naval rules we've been playing games with at my club lately for a more fantastical setting. Where captains explore an Lovecraftian underground sea.

(Honestly, as far as my video game miniatures projects go I'm becoming more and more obscure...)



Oh, and I dumped a load of cash on some after market kits by Hauler for Mikromir's BTR-60. I'd bought two of those kits, however so far have found them to be disappointing. Hauler's sets, whilst expensive (together almost the same price as the base vehicles, which themselves weren't cheap), are what it'll take to bring these things up to any kind of quality that I'd expect from kits in this scale (not to say I have the modelling talent to give them much credit though). I've decided too that I'll be using them as regular BTR-60 Pbs; none of thos modernising, as I can see the appeal in having some models of these older vehicles in service without resorting to making a conversion based on some upgrade that'll see a fraction of the use as the base vehicles do (Empress' BTR-80A is still on the way of course. I'll have to look at the differences between the 80A and 82 turrets at some point to see how viable modernising that thing is, or likely will just leave it as is).



In another area though, I had to slap my hand away from the "place order" button today as I oggled the prospect of making a T-90MS Tank (the latest variant of this vehicle in service with Russia). The vehicle uses a mix of T-90 and Armata based parts, so naturally in making this I'd have to buy one of each from Empress Miniatures to act as inspiration. Then I'd also want to shimmy on over to OKB Grigorov to pick up some of their Late Model T-90 Roadwheels and T-72 tracks. Soon enough I found myself spending £100 to make just one model, and with the BTR-60s I was calling it a day with splurging on spending 1/35th scale money on wargaming vehicles... :(



(Those are some nice wheels though. Yes, I should find some more outlets instead of oggling a daft sit of little model wheels...)

So its been a day of splurging money on silly things (woo payday!). As work on the initial build for the restaurant draws to a close too, efforts have started on another terrain project. This time a large warehouse, where all those Antenocitis Workshop scatter terrain pieces which I mentioned in my last post will be related to. I'd actually started that a few weeks ago (yeah, I have loads of "started" projects, but its easier on you guys if I act like this stuff is new instead of having sat on a shelf for half a year), though couldn't progress with it as I needed a tonne of laser cut window frames. With those arriving (last month) and now the brick sheets bought today, hopefully I'll find the time to begin work on that proper (and deciding how to build the interior catwalks and rooms) at some point in the near future.




And lastly, here's an obligatory shout out to Tiny Terrain Models, who have launched their second War in Chechnya Kickstarter. You'll probably here about this elsewhere if you don't already know, but me saying how great their first one was and hopefully this one will be won't hurt. :)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1026360580/28mm-russian-and-chechen-miniatures?ref=email

« Last Edit: October 01, 2018, 09:58:02 PM by Wyrmalla »

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #324 on: October 02, 2018, 07:44:55 AM »
Nice painting on those figures.

Interesting selection of real world prototypes.

Nice to see there are still some model shops about. Model railway shows are an alternative if you want to see and feel building material.

That BTR-60 looks good with the photo-etch.

Skytrex O gauge stuff might be of use to you:
http://www.ogauge.co.uk/48-accessories
A number of wargames companies resell them (Warlord amongst others).

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #325 on: October 02, 2018, 11:12:41 AM »
IS-3 will be a pain to do, the hull is significantly different adn the turret is the 'soup bowl' shape, probably not worth the effort.

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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #326 on: October 02, 2018, 02:02:51 PM »
@ Ultravanillasmurf

Those're totally just images off of the Ebay page I was looking at for that photoetch. I was mostly concerned about the discrepancies with the exhaust covers and the wholesale lack of the periscope and vision ports. As I said, its the only option in the scale for a BTR-60, but that's not to say its impressive.

And I may have spent £120 just on plasticard yesterday. ..If I'm travelling across the country to buy modelling bits then I damn well will make the trip worthwhile. ;)

Yeah, I have some of Skytrex stuff being painted right now, with more to go. Pity they no longer sell any of their little cardboard boxes, as those were great. :(


@ Rich H

For my purposes an IS-2 would be sufficient. I'd looked at the IS-3, and the largest changes seemed to be the turret and front glacis, but that's with minimal research. Right now I'm still determining what to do with the thing however. Between another monument, on a wider and squatter plinth than the first, or a combat vehicle - salvaged from said monument (probably smeared with rust and some modern stowage, though without a proper modern refit). A pair of monuments out alongside a forest road could be an interesting board.
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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #327 on: October 02, 2018, 02:57:39 PM »
Excellent painting on your figures.
Lots of different bits of equipment make for fun painting.
I am in on the second kick starter.
Still need to paint the guys from the first one.
Just to many periods to paint and to much of a butterfly.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2019, 05:05:09 PM by Marine0846 »
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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #328 on: October 04, 2018, 10:21:03 PM »
I'm dealing with a mess of projects right now, so again nothing to show. With both orders from Empress and Spectre arriving on the same day, and having picked up a board game which will need at least some of the figures painted (and converted) for this Tuesday. ...Let alone learning the actual rules for it.

Today I've been doing a dive into the variants of the BTR-80 APC. Specifically the Nona-SVK, which I've mentioned before, 80A and the 82AM.

I'd bought Empress Miniature's BTR-80 deal, which includes two BTR-80s and a BTR-80 with an 80A turret. Which is to say that I've been eyeing up the specific intricacies of each models, and its only just hit me that Empress' 80A isn't 100% correct (but good enough that they shouldn't make a new mould for it).

So I thought that before I show off the WIP pictures of what I've done with each of them so far (and I'll say that I'm in no way going for perfect accuracy, just broad terms), some of the details which caught my eye when doing this research. Putting this up online somewhere may be useful for others wanting to make these common variants (I was considering making a BTR-87, but that thing looks just like a cheaper BTR-4).


The BTR-80A/82A
The Hull

Now the 80A and 82AM the differences aren't too obvious at first. One of the biggest things with the hull would be the amount of vision ports on either side of the vehicle. Whilst the BTR-80 has three on the front left, the front most port is eliminated on these two variants.



As shown in the above picture the 82A can also come with a set of tubes above the exhausts. I can't say what its for. ...That image literally just reads "A tube", "Not a tube" when describing this component.

If you have a look at this kit you'll see that the 82A also has a different set of engine doors. With the left one having a raised panel, where the 80's is just a flat plate with an access cap and some strengthening ribs. The the right one has an extra access hatch as well. The 80A uses the original 80 doors.





The Turret

One of the largest areas of confusion which I found online was just what was the difference between the 80A and 82A/M turrets. The below picture illustrates the changes pretty well.



Namely the 82's turret has less of an angle to the main body - with the front being higher, thus rising in a shallower manner towards the back. Whilst on the 80A the raised portion in the middle of the turret's front has a cutout on either side, on the 82 there's only one on the left side (and the armoured front plate is altered to reflect this).

On Empress' 80A turret the angle to these pieces isn't as steep as it should be. What this means is that whilst the periscope positions on each turret are the same, or you wanted to make the modifications to the right side of the turret that the 82 requires, that periscope may become obscured. I haven't looked into this yet, but we'll see if that causes any problems when I'm making the required changes.

Additionally Empress' turret lacks some details. Including a hatch on the right side of the turret, a circular bulge to the right side of the turret's main body on the 80A and a whole mess of detail to the rear specific to the 82A/M (i.e. two boxes either side of the turret's mount). Plus little things like bolts and a lamp which is supposed to sit above the gun on all models (though the exact shape of this varies - see the above images). 







The Nona SVK

Now to make one of these you're going to have to go through much more drastic changes to the base vehicle than the relatively simple variants I've described above. If you want to make one at all then you'd be wanting to mix HLBS' BTR-80 with a 2S9 turret (I bought mine from HLBS directly, rather than buying the whole 2S9 - as the remaining BRDM would have to have its whole roof rebuilt due to the changes in mounting the turret to the base vehicle).

The Hull

The most obvious change is that the roof has been flattened all the way from the crew hatches to the engine deck to accommodate the new turret. Remember when removing the material from the roof to save the radio antenna, which is mounted in the same position as it was before.



The below image also shows off the modifications to the sides as well. All the vision ports are eliminated along with the upper part of the side doors and the rail above the wheels is extended to fill in the space left by the missing doors.



Oh, and something which oddly isn't featured on the other variants I mentioned, but does appear on others (including the Ukrainian models I've discussed elsewhere), the vision block to the left of the front crew hatches - beneath the left roof hatch has also been removed.




The Turret

Onto the turret. This one isn't a like for like carry over from the 2S9 Nona.




There's a vision block to the left of the turret, and due to the turret cupola being larger the two rectangular stowage brackets on the back are gone too.



The Nona SVK also features a cupola similar to the 2S3 Acacia, rather than the flat hatch the 2S9 has. Which you may be able to nab off of Tank Mania's 1/48th scale kit.



Furthermore the left hatch is orientated backwards, rather than sideways and that crewman's periscope eliminated.



Lastly the SVK's gunner's periscope has a different profile (more of an L shape) and a cap which usually seems mounted over the glass.



And as an aside, smoke launchers mounted either side of the turret seem to come as standard on the SVK. These are the same type as the 80 as far as I can tell, so you could take these from the back of the BTR-80 kit's turret if you're needing a set. As is there commonly a box mounted behind the turret (presumably for spare ammunition?), at least on the ones I'd seen pictures of in the field.





Concerning details that are incorrect on Empress' model for all variants.

Empress' BTR-80 has a light in front of the left crew hatch at the front. There seems to be some variation in the usage of this spot. With some models having a just a periscope, and others a spotlight mounted over the vision block. Though none of them tend to be as small as Empress' light, which lacks a vision block at all. On those 80A / 82A/M I've seen on parade in Moscow the periscope/ spotlight mix seemed the most common.





The middle vision block beneath the front right crew hatch on the Empress model is the same size as its counterparts either side of it. In reality this should be larger.



I'd also mention that the snorkels which sit just in front of the engine deck (the two cylinders on the roof) are a bit simplified. They should have caps on them, or even be left in an extended position if you want a bit more visual interest.




Obviously also things like the hand holds, headlight guards, the shape of the front left IR light, wing mirrors, rear intakes and other small thin details are either minimised or missing entirely. There's variation in the placement and type of these (i.e. circular and square wing mirrors), but for 28mm wargaming stuff like that's overkill and just asking to be snapped off through use.

I could go into stuff like the 82A having the ability to mount a grenade launcher to the left of the turret, similar to the Ukrainian BTR-3, differences in barrels, or more specific variants, but this post's just me speaking in broad terms about the cosmetic details that differentiate each of the vehicles, and so I probably didn't cover a load of stuff here.

All I'm looking for with my own models is to give the right impression with the overall look of the models, and want a bit more accuracy in the breadth of vehicles in use by my Russian forces other than just sticking them in some old Cold War era BTR without any modernisations.

Ah, if I have another slow week then I may post more of these dives. If there's anything obvious that I missed then feel free to post a comment. ...Though I'm likely already being obscure with the choice of vehicles and pointing out these sorts of details. Regardless, if it helps others in more accurately modelling their modern faces then I've helped someone. :)
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Re: A War in The East
« Reply #329 on: October 05, 2018, 06:45:51 AM »
Thanks, that is very useful.
I have an 80A I bought at Colours waiting to be built, and I will look at improving it using your points. I may even revisit my elderly BTR-80 and improve the vision ports.

 

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