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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2018, 11:21:59 PM »
I thought it was a bit rubbish  :?

A lot of the younger 'heroes' were very forgettable and the inclusion of the gods didn't seem to fit quite right with me. Looked ok though.

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2018, 11:29:40 PM »
Some people probably need to adjust their expectations of a TV show on at peak time on a Saturday!
I think it's fine and suitably entertaining - does what it's meant to do!  :D

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2018, 09:09:14 AM »
There are indeed many interpretations/adaptations of myths or classical tragedies where the director chooses to place the characters in a modern, post-modern, or even futuristic setting. For example Titus Andronicus, Coriolanus, Hamlet as films goes, countless theatrical plays. Only in Greece there must be hundrends of productions where the costume department is given a free rein.
But there is a difference here. This show actually tries to maintain a contemporary image with the tales about the Trojan War. They are making an effort to present themselves as period drama. And thats were the critisism steps in. They could set it in a galaxy far far away and nobody would judge any of their creative choices.

Thread edited. Letís keep off racism as a topic please - no politics wanted here. Feel free to reread the rules if you need a reminder we donít do those sort of subjects on this wargaming forum. Thanks.

Thread edited again - as above.
Guys, PLEASE leave alone race / racism as a topic. It doesn't belong on this forum, whatever the rights or wrongs of the arguments either way. It'll only end up in a fight, which is why we don't deal with difficult, emotive real life topics here in our happy little hobby world of playing with toy soldiers.
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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2018, 10:07:28 PM »
Just finished watching the second episode, I'm quite enjoying it. It's definitely in the same wheelhouse as 'Vikings' but I enjoy that show too!

Still not as good as the Tony Robinson and Richard Curtis kids series though.

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2018, 11:23:52 PM »
Perhaps, with the introduction of Odysseus, there could well be a sequel?

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2018, 11:25:41 PM »
My problem, even more than the casting decisions, is that the show is boring. Simply, I couldn't relate with the characters. The good thing, of course, is that now I am not tempted to start another miniature project!  lol

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2018, 12:30:38 PM »
Episode 3: Drivel.

Bronze Age Special Ops spliced alongside the Bronze Age Chattering Classes.

The whole episode reminded me of a 1950s 'B' Western film, where the heroic cavalry captain (usually Randolph Scott) slips out of the Apache-beleaguered outpost to bring the relief column.

Conversely, some of  the physical detail seems historically accurate: The bronze cuirass, the bronze spear head; the fact that the bra hadn't been invented then.

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2018, 07:26:28 PM »
I'm finding very well done and I'm enjoying it more - much more than I expected to. Compare this production with that dreadful Templar knight series Knightfall ... yikes.

I know that these forums generate feeding frenzies of dramatic criticisms but ask yourselves - has anything else on this topic done better? I'd say that this is the best telling of the story we've ever had ... so far.

As far as creative license goes debate continues about the historical reality or otherwise of the Troy legend. So, this opens the ball game as far as playing with interpretations which I always enjoy - what twist will the writers and producers come up with this time? Be a bit boring otherwise.

Achilles' mother was a goddess and his father was a Myrmidon. The Myrmidons did not share the same ancestry as the Greeks as by mythology they were supposed to be created by Zeus from a colony of ants. Neither Achilles nor his men were Thesallians in the modern or classical sense. I think it's inspired that the casting director has picked up on this and played with the differences - they were apart from the rest of the Greeks.

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2018, 07:38:06 PM »

Achilles' mother was a goddess and his father was a Myrmidon. The Myrmidons did not share the same ancestry as the Greeks as by mythology they were supposed to be created by Zeus from a colony of ants. Neither Achilles nor his men were Thesallians in the modern or classical sense. I think it's inspired that the casting director has picked up on this and played with the differences - they were apart from the rest of the Greeks.
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes with your theory in a bar in Piraeus

As they say in the land of Homer/Herodotus
"Go and tell the Spartans"
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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2018, 08:59:07 PM »

Achilles' mother was a goddess and his father was a Myrmidon. The Myrmidons did not share the same ancestry as the Greeks as by mythology they were supposed to be created by Zeus from a colony of ants. Neither Achilles nor his men were Thesallians in the modern or classical sense. I think it's inspired that the casting director has picked up on this and played with the differences - they were apart from the rest of the Greeks.

I like this! That explanation I can buy.

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2018, 09:30:31 PM »
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes with your theory in a bar in Piraeus

OMG - do you mean heíd be totally confounded by a flood of closely reasoned argument? 🤓

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2018, 09:33:14 PM »
has anything else on this topic done better? I'd say that this is the best telling of the story we've ever had ... so far.
Blind Guardian - And Then There Was Silence.
At least if you're the kind of a person who enjoys a 14 minute long power metal song. If so, it's a suitably epic adaptation.

And if it's just any telling of the story, the original written by that Greek fellow isn't half bad. To simultaneously be a glorification and criticism of war and its heroes is no mean feat. Probably more than may be expected of a televised series, but still.. ah well, won't say any more of it. Book's better though, as so often is the case.
~Ad finem temporum~

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2018, 03:32:00 AM »
Oh, and I forgot to declare a bias. The lead is another Aussie actor and fellow-countryman. Like the movie Thor and the latest Perseus it looks like they wanted consistency? Advance Australia Fairytale! ;D

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2018, 08:44:07 AM »
Oh, and I forgot to declare a bias. The lead is another Aussie actor and fellow-countryman. Like the movie Thor and the latest Perseus it looks like they wanted consistency? Advance Australia Fairytale! ;D
Yes l see your point .As Australia is a world leader in Tv drama with many global masterpieces such as the "Flying Doctors " renown bush kangaroo and
outstanding kitchen sink soaps , Troy must come across as beacon of brilliance.
I am sure it would be even more popular in the land of the billabong if Aboriginal actors were used to play the Hellenes as they are rarely used in any Aussie productions.

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Re: Troy : Fall of a city.
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2018, 09:04:21 AM »
Could we please stop this exchange on ethnicities? It's going nowhere but into insults and persuasion battles. Boring as hell, and not in the right place on a wargaming forum.
If you must talk about a TV show, make it a discussion worth having here.

 

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