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Offline Garanhir

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Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« on: March 25, 2018, 01:02:53 PM »
Hoping the LAF hive-mind can help with this. Some while ago, someone posted an infographic featuring the evolution of helmets through the middle ages. It may have been as long as two years ago. It was arranged cladistically, which I found very interesting, and now I'm pottering about in the later period I'd find it very useful,if only I could find it again.

Anyone remember it?
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Offline Humakt

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2018, 03:16:41 PM »
An interesting chart but I'm not sure how reliable it is.

The late 15th century tilting helm is clearly an evolution of the 13th century great helm, but this chart shows otherwise.
Where's the 12th century conical helm with faceplate - the precursor of the great helm? It shows other slight evolutions so why not this important one?
And the 13th century kettle helmet is missing completely.

I'm sure there are many other anomalies as well.

Offline Captain Blood

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2018, 03:56:00 PM »
Yes, itís a nice idea but there are several connections shown there which simply donít follow, and a couple of things which make no sense at all.
It would be interesting to see this done properly and to a higher quality.

Offline westwaller

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2018, 05:02:41 PM »
The chapel de fer evolution looks a bit off. They were worn slot earlier than the chart shows.

Offline Thelionheart

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2018, 10:48:57 PM »
The chapel de fer evolution looks a bit off. They were worn slot earlier than the chart shows.

It's also quite insane that the Froghelm/tournament helm isn't shown as being a descendant of the Great Helm.
Edit: Ha, looks like thats already been said. Thats what I get for skimming.  lol
« Last Edit: March 25, 2018, 10:51:44 PM by Thelionheart »

Offline cdm

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 09:18:34 AM »
Morions are mentioned in transcripts from the Caribbean as early as the turn of 1500, listed separately to helmets. *shrug*

Maybe the hive mind needs to kick this thing around to LAF standard?

Offline fred

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 07:19:48 PM »
Its still a cool graphic, even with a few anomalies.

If the costume designers of Vikings had had it, things might have been a little different...

Offline Breazer

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2018, 07:56:19 PM »
I just know of this one


Offline Captain Blood

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 09:50:53 PM »
Itís much more likely that the morion / cabasset style of infantry helmet was an evolution of the kettle hat or chapeau de fer, than derived from the burgonet, as suggested in the original infographic.

Offline Garanhir

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Re: Looking for an Infographic - Helmets
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 11:28:55 PM »
Thanks for all your help folks, and especially the critiques and discussion. I am enlightened!