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Offline Baron von Wreckedoften

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1940 French tank markings
« on: March 28, 2018, 11:36:45 AM »
I realise that this is a long shot for such an Anglophile board, but I was wondering if anyone could help me search out the following details in order to put together a section of Char B1-bis for May 1940, for "What A Tanker!".

Very specifically, I'm looking for details (including positioning, colour and size) of all markings for all three tanks of any section of any company of Char B1bis from either 28e BCC or 37e BCC (1ere Demi-Brigade Lourde, of 1ere Division Cuirassee).  This would include:
- registration number of each individual tank (eg 201)
- name of each individual tank (help appreciated, although I can probably deduce these from AARs)
- tactical markings (whether playing card or geometric design)
- radio call sign (usually a single letter)
- divisional markings
- roundel or tricolour

If anyone can help, I would be extremely grateful (I can speak a little French, so Gallic sauces* are perfectly acceptable - just not too much garlic or anise!).

[* Yes, I do know that's not the correct spelling. ]
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Offline Arlequín

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2018, 12:50:05 PM »
The forum may be Anglophone, but there are a few Francophiles here. In lieu of a detailed answer by Lou Passejaire, which may be forthcoming, these may help;

Guide to French vehicle markings:
http://france1940.free.fr/armee/colours.html

Gallery of Char B1 tanks of various units:
https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/france/tanks-france/b1_bis/

Bon chance!

Offline Baron von Wreckedoften

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2018, 04:18:30 PM »
Tres utile - merci beaucoup.

Offline lou passejaire

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2018, 05:50:36 PM »
just ask ...



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Offline lou passejaire

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2018, 05:59:38 PM »
the radio call sign ... may be can be found in the Trackstory about the Char B ...

Offline Baron von Wreckedoften

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 09:19:02 PM »
the radio call sign ... may be can be found in the Trackstory about the Char B ...

1) Did you mean this website - http://www.minitracks.fr/b1bis.htm

2) It says that the absence of a "pointe" (I assume [.]?) means it is the section commander's tank.  Did the other two tanks have the "pointe" before/after according to how senior each was within the section (for example: . J = Djibouti, J . = Brazzaville) or have I misunderstood?

3) Thank you very much, this is just the sort of information I was looking for.

BvW

Offline Baron von Wreckedoften

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2018, 09:27:37 PM »
One more thing - I cannot find photos of Char 1 Bis in action with crew kit/equipment stowed on the outside surfaces of the tank.  Was this simply not done by French tank crews, or was the inside of the Char 1 so large that everything could be kept inside?

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2018, 11:03:01 AM »
1) Did you mean this website - http://www.minitracks.fr/b1bis.htm
yes
2) It says that the absence of a "pointe" (I assume [.]?) means it is the section commander's tank.  Did the other two tanks have the "pointe" before/after according to how senior each was within the section (for example: . J = Djibouti, J . = Brazzaville) or have I misunderstood?
i presume
3) Thank you very much, this is just the sort of information I was looking for.

BvW

never seen a single B1-B1 bis with kit outside, even on the small tanks such as the H35-39 or R35 ... a small kit found a small place in the tank, and the remaining stuff was carried by the company trucks , i presume ...

give a look at : http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/liste-chronologique/de-1930-a-1940 ... a lot of pictures are avaible

Offline Baron von Wreckedoften

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 08:53:03 AM »
Once again, thank you very much for that info and answering my questions.

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2018, 01:58:41 PM »
One more thing - I cannot find photos of Char 1 Bis in action with crew kit/equipment stowed on the outside surfaces of the tank.  Was this simply not done by French tank crews, or was the inside of the Char 1 so large that everything could be kept inside?

The French tanks were fairly short ranged & the 'B echelon' (or the French equivalent) was usually close at hand. Char B didn't carry a lot externally, typically only the tow chains and sometimes a canvas sheet.

There is a lot of information online at http://chars-francais.net/2015/index.php including many photographs. It's in French but easy to navigate. There are some good books on the Char around, sadly mine are in the storage shed.
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Offline Baron von Wreckedoften

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Re: 1940 French tank markings
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2018, 02:17:03 PM »
Thanks - confirms what I thought.  I was thinking of buying a pack of "stowage" gear to go with my B1-Bis peloton + pack of tank commanders from Warlord, but it looks like it might be redundant.  Ah, might get it anyway for the British/Germans.

https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/french-army/products/char-b1-bis-platoon
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/french-army/products/french-tank-crew
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/french-army/products/stowage-pack-tarps-and-rolls