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Offline Wellington Bonaparte

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Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« on: April 22, 2018, 09:23:09 PM »
I've recently been gifted about 1500 15mm ACW figures from a variety of manufacturers by a friend who is determined to pull me into yet another area of wargaming. I've played a couple ofgames of F&Fwith him which I enjoyed, but my question to the great and good out there is should I go for Regimental F&F or Bde F&F?
I believe we played the Regimental version, so have no idea of the Bde. Version.

Now just have to start painting and basing the little fellas............
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Offline levied troop

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 06:08:23 AM »
I’d ditto that advice, you can do both easily. It’s possibly the best set of rules ever for simplicity and accuracy and there’s a lot of resources on the web for suitable scenarios.
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Offline SteveBurt

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 10:35:46 AM »
I prefer the Brigade level rules. as well as being simpler, you can do big battles with them.
I think there are better rules at the regimental level (Longstreet, They Couldn't Hit an Elephant)
However, the basing is compatible between the two (although a single brigade level base with 4 figures counts as 2 bases in the regimental version)
So, assuming you have 15mm figures, put them 3 or 4 figures to a 1" wide base and you are in business. (4 figs looks better, 3 gives you more bang for your buck)

Offline Jabba

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 10:51:00 AM »
As has been said the base sizes for both are the same now that the Brigade F&F rewrite is out. Point about the artillery, in Brigade you still have, I think, about seven different artillery types that your battery can consist of.
Have only played at the brigade level so far and they are great rules in my opinion.

Tony.

Offline Wellington Bonaparte

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 11:36:29 AM »
Gentlemen, thank youfor your replies and advice. I'll start painting  and basing now and hopefully by the end of summer will have enough of one side done to issue a challenge. From your advice, I'll go for the brigade version to start and see how I get on, follow it with regimental if I get hooked. Damn, more books to buy for more research!! The fun never stops  :)

Offline dallascowboy43

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 07:55:36 PM »
If you base some with 3 figures at the front of a base and some with 3 figures at the back they can give the impression of a regiment or a succession of lines for the brigade rules as per this scrappy photo.
Clive
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 07:57:58 PM by dallascowboy43 »

Offline Wellington Bonaparte

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 08:59:39 PM »
I like that idea, thanks Clive

Offline vtsaogames

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2018, 04:02:17 PM »
Not quite what you asked, but F&F basing will also work for Bloody Big Battles. BBB is faster and simpler than F&F though of similar style. The troop representation ratio is flexible, with basic units sometimes being brigades, often divisions and sometimes small corps. The Shiloh scenario fits on a 4 X 3 foot table and takes 9 turns, perhaps three hours for the first day. We played the 3 days of Gettysburg in two sessions on a 4 X 6 foot table. Some folks play faster than we do. Both days of the Wilderness take an evening.
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Offline smirnoff

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2018, 09:03:08 PM »
Yes,  BBB is very good for ACW. I no longer play F+F because of it.
However F+F Brigade is an excellent game (not played the very latest version however) and the few games of F+F Regimental I had were good but I did not really get into it (works well for Mexico though).
Give them all a go, the basing will work.

Offline wrgmr1

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2018, 10:57:03 PM »
F&F 2nd edition is much better than the 1st. It is more bloody, with musketry actually doing something.
We found Regimental F&F slow.

Offline Bloodaxe

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2018, 11:13:33 PM »
Ive read that in F&F you should make some casualty markers, low ammo, etc  That's a bonus for me. I'm not a fan of chits and plastic markers cluttering the table.   
Anyone have any pictures of counters they made for F&F ?

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2018, 12:38:40 AM »
Last weekend I played my first two games of the new Brigade F&F, having played the original rules a fair bit over the years.  We thought that they were a definite refinement of a good set of rules. 

My markers for 28mm F&F: (You could print and stick to card for interim use)

Disordered Markers (40mm bases):


Disordered Cavalry, Damaged battery & low on ammo:


Low on ammo:


Low on ammo:


All Redoubt miniatures, apart from the dead horses and battlefield detritus from 1st Corps.

Old school (Gilder-esque) basing to match existing armies.


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Offline Bloodaxe

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2018, 01:15:39 AM »
Overlord. Thank you. Very nice.  Have any battle reports? I'd like to see how the game flows.  Thanks again.

One thing that makes me hesitate about F&F, I read that someone played a 4 hour game, and they still couldn't see a distinct winner. 
« Last Edit: April 27, 2018, 01:42:41 AM by Bloodaxe »

Offline levied troop

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2018, 07:27:05 AM »

One thing that makes me hesitate about F&F, I read that someone played a 4 hour game, and they still couldn't see a distinct winner.

There are a lot of possible variables in that statement (how big was the game, was it their first, how much were they drinking between moves).  My crew used to play 3-4 hour games and I can’t recall any featureless draws, indeed I’ve managed to lose games in the first hour due to my opponents vigorous use of the Confederate charge bonus.

Offline Bloodaxe

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Re: Fire and fury brigade or regimental?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2018, 08:22:00 AM »
Levied Troop -:OK than you .