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Offline Kadrinazi

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2018, 11:47:56 PM »
a polish guard for Archduke Matthias

Polish guards?

Offline Ingmar

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 08:34:42 AM »
Thanks for all the replies and tips, very helpful! Mr. Postman arrived with my Osprey titles this friday, so I'm set up for a nice read over the weekend. Dutch facebook groups are fine, no translations required, so thanks for the link.
Currently contemplating what to do with basing...
I was intrigued by the proposed round multibasing strategy of one of the authors of The Pikeman's Lament. Being a single baser at heart, this seems to be a nice middleground between the two extremes. However, I'd like to be able to expand the single company for pikeman's lament into something like Pike and Shotte Brigade (if ever!), and I'm not sure round multi bases carry over well into that sort of game...
Any ideas? I was thinking of movement trays for round multibases to get them into line with the sort needed, but that might make the whole thing too bulky..

Offline cdr

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 08:48:45 AM »
Polish guards?

a text dating to 1579 talks about 300 Polish horsemen "POLACRES" led by a 'Crosbach' in the guard of Archduke MATTHIAS

Carl

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2018, 12:28:45 AM »
Matthias was Governor-General of the Netherlands 1578 to 1581 (invited to the Netherlands by the States-General of the rebellious provinces, who offered him the position.
 The position was not recognized by his uncle, Philip II of Spain.  Matthias continued as titular governor until the rebels declared full independence in 1581, at which point he returned home to Austria.)  Given the time period, I wouldn't expect his Polish bodyguard to look like the full-blown Polish Hussars of the later 17th century so often pictured - and we have no indication that Matthias and his troops fought for or against the rebels before his return to Austria.

And below are a few more images of cavalry suitable for the 1570's and 80's.  The first is a Dutch lancer, the next three are German Reiters.  The next two are English infantry and cavalry from the Osprey on the Armada and could easily have seen service in the Dutch wars (although the English caliverman is more of a local militia man and troops with such outmoded equipment probably would not have served overseas).   A Dutch pikeman of the late 16th century.  And finally a selection of troops who could have served the Spanish side in the 1580 - 1600 period.

 https://i.pinimg.com/736x/89/12/42/8912423c83d8f3e1e82a69342590c9b9--knights-templar-military-uniforms.jpg 

 https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/ab/8c/77ab8cf7c71d07707221fe2e20ba66e3--military-photos-military-history.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e1/b9/dc/e1b9dcb8fd00e68ccd1d1fd48a377b01.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/38/a5/e6/38a5e68b1eae30e69406b2a3a824258f--alonso-th-century.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/89/37/11/893711db48143b7db3494590374fcf1f--troops-armada.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/94/b0/d294b04f4c95f982fae6391b8acbb3da.jpg

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/373587731570244864

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/d4/e7/0ad4e7be84a5b10e4a836c560906fce6.jpg

Offline Ingmar

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2018, 07:15:00 PM »
Would the TAG starterarmy: http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product/dutch-rebellion-1606-1648-starter-army/ work for the period around 1588-1598 as well? Im intrigued by Maurice and his army reforms, that and the battle of Nieuwpoort. They're labeled as 1606 onwards, so I have my doubt...

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2018, 07:28:28 PM »
Ingmar, I wouldn't use them for the 1580's.  Different clothing and armor styles.  They have more in common with the 30 Yrs War (with which they are congruent).

Offline Ingmar

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2018, 08:27:08 PM »
I thought as much. Guess I'll be waiting on next year's batch. Though I guess the Pluderhosen Landsknechts are ideal for the period..  lol

Offline MM

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2018, 03:42:43 PM »
I'm using TAG German and Swedish troops for a roughly 1590 onwards army. They seem to me to be close enough stylewise?

Baggy trousers, helmet types seem to be correct, muskets with rests, fully armoured pistol equipped cuirassiers (proper for after 1597), etc.

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2018, 06:35:28 PM »

Offline Codsticker

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2018, 03:21:01 AM »
Meh... I am almost certain to buy them even though I have use for them. :'(  :D

 ps. I think whoever is applying the tufts to the bases needs to mix it up a bit: the exact same number (4) on each base in nearly identical locations.

Offline cdr

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2018, 10:56:39 AM »
the Warlord games gendarmes look ok but the open faced helmets were rare for gendarmes.

Warlord games Wallenstein life guard figures are a lot closer to contemporary illustrations of Gendarmes in the Low Countries

Offline whiskey priest

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2018, 02:56:35 PM »
The new Warlord Gendarme are better suited as Spanish Lancers and I agree, wallenstein's lifeguard would make excellent Gendarmes.

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2018, 11:16:36 PM »
They can also be used as English Demilances, who often wore burgonets and other open-faced helmets (and did serve in the Low Countries).

Offline Paul Richardson

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2018, 07:44:07 AM »
I'm planning to use a few for a general's lifeguard in my TYW army. I much prefer the  sculpts to those in Warlord's Wallenstein's lifeguard. I think, though, that I'll do a head swap on the figure in a morion. 

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2018, 04:18:44 PM »
I have always been bothered by the placement of the holsters on the Warlords Wallenstein's Cavalry Lifeguard figures - they look nothing like any picture of 16th -17th century cavalry that I have ever seen depicted.  Holsters were affixed to the saddle, and would be placed much higher up than these.

https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/thirty-years-war-1618-1648/products/wallenstein-s-lifeguard-command

Contrast them with these, for example:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sCXsElkEWzY/VhQOo9ksXBI/AAAAAAAAEMM/Na5m8qQavrI/s1600/19.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/72/a2/a5/72a2a51923c83b976830754ace53d3b1--spanish-armada-armature.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/76/e9/8c76e92a19573127812d00349d1609f9.jpg

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Dstaberg/media/bWVkaWFJZDo5NDI4MzMyNQ==/?ref=