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Offline Paul Richardson

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2018, 04:57:39 PM »
Metternich: agreed. Are the holsters a separate casting? if so, it may just be a mistake by whoever assembled or painted them.


Offline Sparrow

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2018, 05:52:49 PM »
What an interesting picture - seen it several times before but clearly never looked at it properly till now! Thank you!

That looks like possibly  2 empty holsters and 2 full ones? If so the pistol tucked under the belt goes in one and maybe the Arquebus in the other (I’m guessing now of course)? Given the mounted Arquebusier was a mobile firing “platform” it all makes sense. (Reminds me a bit of Scots Covenant cavalry with pistols in holsters and in boots).

Makes you think about how most wargames rules misuse firepower cavalry (and the way they work with other cavalry types)? They were clearly quite effective as, if not, why go to all the cost equipping guys like this? Very thought provoking!
« Last Edit: June 11, 2018, 06:14:30 PM by Sparrow »
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Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2018, 07:24:14 PM »
And wheel lock pistols were a comparatively expensive piece of gear. 

Offline bluechi

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2018, 08:06:05 PM »
The warlord cuirassiers would be perfect. The armour style of the 1580-1625 changed not much.

Offline Codsticker

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2018, 04:33:18 PM »
The warlord cuirassiers would be perfect. The armour style of the 1580-1625 changed not much.
I think you might be right. Sebastiaen Vrancx was a contemporary painter, specialising in battle scenes, and a lot of his paintings feature cuirassiers.

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2018, 04:43:26 PM »
The armor style is perfect for the 1610 period and on.  But not for the 1570's - 1580's  (Helmets are different.  And Reiter armor is less complete than Cuirassier).  If you posit 1590's on, they probably will do.

Offline bluechi

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2018, 06:13:14 PM »
Thats right....for 1560-1580 they are bit to modern in style. But how to get 100% ? The old glory look not bad. Hope TAG make some for that period with some character like Alba, Schwendi , Anjou, Tavannes etc

Offline Sparrow

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2018, 06:23:41 PM »
Would be great if TAG eventually did some Huguenot Millers?

Late C16th has so much to offer as a period (I think) but it needs more “in depth”ranges. Hopefully TAG will fill the gap (I’m sadly a bit wary of parting with my hard earned cash on Warlord figures based on previous experience).

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2018, 10:40:18 PM »
"Would be great if TAG eventually did some Huguenot Millers? "

And Reiters, who also served in just about every conflict of the period - along with the Landsknechts, the Universal Soldier.

Offline Arthur

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2018, 03:54:44 AM »
From the TAG website, dated July 11th 2017

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But of course Landsknechts are only half the story of German mercenaries in the 16th Century, also used in equally large numbers were the rapacious Reiter.

Reiter, pistol armed horse men, appear at first as a kind of charging melee cavalry in the middle of the 16th Century; initially armed with boar spears and swords, they soon developed in to deep formations firing by rotation, and charging only when an enemy was weakened. We have to make the boar spear miniatures to cover our Tudors for 1544,  who were one of the first to hire this new type of cavalry men, but we will also need at least two other packs with pistols, to represent the later formations, and a command. (4)

http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/long-war-plans-pt-2/

The full TAG plan for the Dutch and Spanish parts of the range can be found by clicking on the link below :

http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/long-war-plans/

Offline Sparrow

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2018, 04:44:50 AM »
Yep, had read that. Sadly, no Millers (yet) .... fingers crossed...

Offline Metternich

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2018, 05:42:02 PM »
Excellent news; so TAG will be meeting the needs of 16th century gamers !   Thanks for posting those links.

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2018, 07:58:56 PM »
I have no clue about this period but I love the aesthetics of the armour and clothing.
A novice question but are these ranges compatible time-wise with the Foundry swashbucklers?

I’ve gotten myself a couple of ospreys on the subject but the description of the clothing doesn’t go into to much detail and makes few distinctions from attire in the earlier part of the century, can anyone recommend some essential reading on this please?
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Offline bluechi

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Re: Dutch - 80 years war - Where to start?
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2018, 08:18:24 PM »
Foundry have a war of religion range ;)