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Offline Clearco

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 7 June
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2018, 12:51:28 PM »
These are awesome!  :o Congrats!!

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 7 June
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2018, 05:11:43 PM »
I always look forward to your posts Simon, as I know full well it will be wonderful eye candy.
As always excellent paintwork and modelling!

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 7 June
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2018, 09:55:12 PM »
That flag just makes the command group pop.  Wonderful stuff.   :-* :-*

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2018, 01:06:43 PM »
Last planned update (for now).
Three Perry Gallowglass - brought into the early 16th century by converting heads to burgonets (from Steel Fist Miniatures Landsknechts) - happy with 'em. May do a couple more headswops on next batch.
Now hoping Michael sculpts the Irish cavalry!

Cheers, Simon.

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2018, 02:25:43 PM »
Nice ,simple,effective conversions,they look great  :)


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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2018, 02:28:40 PM »
Very nice!

So what project are these for? I notice they are on round bases like the Steel Fist ones you've painted up - I've assumed they were just for display purposes on the website. But as these are based the same, and with burgonets are obviously supposed to be from the same era... are you working towards some sort of skirmish project?

(And when are we next going to see some updates on your Swiss project?  :) )

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2018, 03:20:30 PM »
Charlie
Yes, kinda volunteered to do a Tudor Irish Lion Rampant force, for game with Stuart M's Tudor English, probably for Q4 this year. So its doable and I've made a healthy start. Hence 1p coins on clear plastic bases I'm thinking.
Swiss keep looking at me and are being very patient chaps - but think that Steel Fist stuff for website display etc must be next.....

All the best
Simon.

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2018, 03:28:20 PM »
...and spookily..new Irish packs have appeared on the Perrys website.
WR 44 Irish kern with axes
WR 45 Irish hangunners
...looks like those Tudor invaders will be pushed out of the Pale after all...!!

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2018, 03:29:29 PM »

These all look terrific.  Nice work on the conversions - it's always cool to see some customized figures.

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2018, 04:04:04 PM »
Highly effective conversions and beautiful painting.

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2018, 03:18:39 PM »
Now hoping Michael sculpts the Irish cavalry!

I remember him mentioning somewhere on the Perry FaceBook page that he'd get around to doing the Irish cavalry eventually.

Pics of the latest releases in the meantime :




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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2018, 05:12:14 PM »
A timely thread, since I'm currently putting together a medieval Irish army for Lion Rampant.
Though mine's more late 14th century.

Anyone know who does suitable cavalry?

I'm not too sure what medieval Irish cavalry would look like. The lighter stuff - javelin armed pony riders - can probably be cobbled from earlier ranges, maybe with a few head swaps.
But I'm wondering what the native Irish 'heavy' cavalry would look like? My instincts tell me no surcoats (since the gallowglass nobles never wore them anyway), so again, maybe use figures from earlier ranges but swap heads.

I'd be grateful for any info from those who know (I can do my own guesses!).

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2018, 06:42:02 PM »
Hi Humakt
Michael Perry has said he'll be doing Irish Cavalry, so you may want to see if they look suitable for 14th century?
Not many contemporary images I don't believe. I would expect mounted Irish to be those who are socially superior, so I think I'm expecting mail coats, rather than cloak-wearing kern types. The later Derrick images (c1580s) have them in mail or padded armour, so you could transfer that armour backwards in time.
Cheers, Simon.

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2018, 11:44:00 PM »
The impression I get from the few descriptions, plus bias from recalling the old WRG books, is that mounted lords, warriors, and their attendant 'horseboys' will pretty much match their respective dismounted counterparts; a 'nagge' or 'hobby' were relatively cheap and decent mounts for your hangers-on.

Great figures, although I think another pack of javelin kern are needed.

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Re: Medieval Irish (Perry 28mm) - UPDATED 11 June
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2018, 06:20:49 AM »
My instincts tell me that mounted gallowglass/nobles probably aren't needed so much.
This is probably due to lack of training. I'm sure they could ride a horse very well, but the training for fighting from a horse, in that medieval style, probably wasn't there. Even more so considering the preference for two-handed weapons as a sign of social rank.
So I expect that gallowglass were really mounted infantry - they rode to the field of battle and then got off to fight, realising that's where they were better off.

Conversely, mounted javelinmen are probably more use. Being lighter armed and having some missile ability, using the horse to get in and get out could have some value from troops otherwise outclassed. Especially for hit-and-run skirmish games.