Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia

[Anderson Collection]

Very interesting thread.

[DintheDin]

Very interesting thread.

Just caught up with it, I'll be following!

[commissarmoody]

This is all very interesting. And an era of history that I never really out that much thought into. I might have to look more into it.

[Andrei1975]

If anyone is interested in the reconstruction of one of the banners of the detachment Ermak:

[Andrei1975]

And further:

[marco55]

Those banners would be hard to reproduce.
Mark

[cuprum]

Of course, Yermak's men would also look similar to any other Muscovite army in the 1500's? So you could use them for the Battle of Kazan or War in Livonia?

Oh sure.
The only difference is that the military commanders of Ermak were peshemi. In other battles, they probably would have traveled on horseback.

The reconstructions of the Ermak banners mentioned here are very remotely similar to the original ones 





Actually, I am a graphic artist by profession and draw the banner for my figures myself. If such a series of miniatures were created - for it would appear quite good banners:

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=62

[huevans]

It was made on cotton wool of cloth, silk or paper fabrics, sometimes reinforced with chain mail and quilted.

Thank you for the image!

How much protection did the helmet really give?

It seems odd. Why not just use a metal helmet? Was that too expensive?

[huevans]

Oh sure.
The only difference is that the military commanders of Ermak were peshemi. In other battles, they probably would have traveled on horseback.

Actually, I am a graphic artist by profession and draw the banner for my figures myself. If such a series of miniatures were created - for it would appear quite good banners:

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=62

"Peshemi" = foot soldiers / infantry?

Here are the TAG Muscovite and Tatar ranges that may be suitable for this campaign.

https://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product-category/renaissance/tatar/

https://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product-category/renaissance/russian/page/2/

[cuprum]

This helmet is cheaper, while it is quite effective (remember the Greek antique linen armor). In addition, this is a good winter hat 

"Peshemi" = foot soldiers / infantry?

Yes. Excuse me.

[huevans]

This helmet is cheaper, while it is quite effective (remember the Greek antique linen armor). In addition, this is a good winter hat 

Did the helmet have some kind of a hard inner frame - wood or metal?

[cuprum]

There is no skeleton. Several layers of fabric, laid with felt, cotton or hair and quilted. Can be from the inside reinforced with chain mail or small metal plates. This Mongolian armor, adopted by the Russians and slightly modified.

[Andrei1975]

No, there was no hard fixation. Could have sewed a piece of chain mail for protection, but the frame was not exactly. Often a paper cap was used together with the pulling, a kind of jacket of the same material:

[marco55]

"Peshemi" = foot soldiers / infantry?

Here are the TAG Muscovite and Tatar ranges that may be suitable for this campaign.

https://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product-category/renaissance/tatar/

https://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product-category/renaissance/russian/page/2/

So do you think the Cossack foot soldiers from the TAG range would be alright? I don't think there would be cavalry at least in Ermak's expedition.Would there be Russians or just Cossacks on this expedition?
Mark

[Andrei1975]

My friend here should remember the main thing-this expedition was not organized by the state and Tsar Ivan the Terrible. This is the idea of the Stroganov family. And accordingly there were no state troops, but there are mercenaries, in this case Cossacks.