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Online marco55

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2018, 07:41:52 PM »
Some great art.Are they from the Osprey book?
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Offline Andrei1975

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2018, 08:01:01 PM »
No. Here are some of the drawings from the book:

Offline Andrei1975

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2018, 08:02:15 PM »
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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2018, 08:03:34 PM »
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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2018, 08:04:25 PM »
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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2018, 08:05:19 PM »
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Online cuprum

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2018, 10:26:31 AM »
For such a game, first of all, models of river ships will be needed, since Ermak's army moved exclusively along the rivers. For the same reason, the part of the images cited above, in cavalry armor, is not suitable for creating an army of Russian Cossacks.
The Ermak expedition was a private enterprise of the Ural merchants, the brothers Stroganov. Their money was hired and armed with Cossacks. The detachment also employed a significant number of captured Litvin captured during the Livonian War and sent to settle the Urals.
Ermak's detachment, like a commercial expedition, was superbly armed with the most modern European weapons, including light naval artillery. The opponents of the Cossacks had no firearms.

I planned to make a ruler of figures for this period, but the idea was abandoned as commercially unpromising. This is a little-known conflict in the West, and, accordingly, there will be no great demand for such figures. One Russian demand will not cover the cost of work.

I even still have unfinished Cossack rowing boat:



Although this game promises very interesting scenarios. For example, the river was blocked by a chain, on both banks there are Tatars, and to the Cossacks in order to break through, it is necessary to unhook the chain on one of the banks.
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Online cuprum

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2018, 10:42:29 AM »
Here there is someone's self-made clip for personal creativity. The clip is cut from fragments of the feature film "Ermak". And although the quality is low, one can get some idea of how the Cossacks acted during the campaign:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLL5XLSegU

Online marco55

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2018, 12:13:23 PM »
Thank you for your input.Shame there's not more interest.I really like to find out about wars and campaigns of other nations besides the US,and UK.We have plenty of info on these countries.I saw a couple of books on the Siberian Conquest at Amazon.I will have to get these.
Mark


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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2018, 01:29:53 AM »
Andrei, thanks for all the pictures!

They answer my question. Yermak's cossacks would have looked roughly like streltsy. Marco could make them from the TAG Muscovy range. Maybe some head swaps to make them look like gentry wearing metal helmets.

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2018, 01:45:56 AM »
I think that for the conversion of the figures of the Streltsys it will be necessary to add some armor (chain mail or quilted), since the Tatars actively used bows in battle.

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2018, 02:32:48 AM »
I think that for the conversion of the figures of the Streltsys it will be necessary to add some armor (chain mail or quilted), since the Tatars actively used bows in battle.

They could wear the chain mail under their coats?

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2018, 02:59:24 AM »
In the Russian tradition was a multi-layer armor - the simultaneous use of chain mail, often reinforced with lamillar inserts, and soft armor. This was the most effective combination of armor for confronting oriental archers and their excellent cavalry. But in this particular case, apparently, the armor was not used by all, since there was a great danger of falling into the water and drowning under its weight.
That's how Ermak died ...

The armor under the clothes was not worn, but, in my opinion, create from the "green" elements of the armor under the equipment is not very difficult. Also in battle, many Cossacks, I think, use different helmets. They could be different models - Russian, European, Turkish...


Here, I think, are the most characteristic variants of full armament:




Offline huevans

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Re: Yermak and the Conquest of Siberia
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2018, 04:20:23 AM »
The bottom guy's head gear - Is it padded soft armour over a hard inner frame?

I have seen this strange helmet before....

Of course, Yermak's men would also look similar to any other Muscovite army in the 1500's? So you could use them for the Battle of Kazan or War in Livonia?
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