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Offline Ewan

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Bolt Action Korea
« on: August 26, 2018, 06:51:27 AM »

Offline commissarmoody

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2018, 07:17:10 AM »
 :o sweet!
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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2018, 08:12:36 AM »
Will there be (plastic) figure support?

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2018, 10:45:37 AM »
Who knows? They've claimed in the past that their WWII U.S. could be used for Korea, which might not bode well for accuracy if they did make some.

I imagine it will depend on popularity. Late WWII U.S. Infantry would work, so a set of those would have crossover sales. WWII Brits and Commonwealth are somewhat compatible, but not much. Most of the vehicles on both sides are available, with only a few exceptions, so outlaying on PVA and DPRK is the financial risk.

I have to say I never thought we'd see 'Korea' from a high-profile set-up. I had resigned myself to a 'what-if' WWIII, using WWII Soviets in the DPRK role. 

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2018, 11:38:53 AM »
I read this with sceptic. Some times ago they talked about the release of Bolt Action WW1 and stopped it. So let's wait until it is released...
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Offline Arlequín

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2018, 01:03:00 PM »
Indeed, although Korea has that 'sexy tanks' appeal that the Great War does not. Even so I suspect Great War has more potential players. Perhaps whoever was writing it dropped out? It happens.

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2018, 11:32:50 PM »
Arguably, WW1 has sexier tanks and they saw far more use. I thought it was Victrix who were going to make Great War infantry and then pulled the pin? They went as far as making and displaying 3D renders IIRC.

Bolt Action is platoon + sized n’est ce pas? Patrolling no-mans land aside, Korea probably doesn’t really much accord with the popular memory of Korea, which I suspect is more about human waves of Chinese. That’s assuming that there is much of a popular memory beyond M*A*S*H. Still if they are canny it does give one of their mostly awful sculptors a chance to do a caricature of a certain 2Lt Maurice Micklewhite.  ;)

One would have thought the American War in Vietnam would offer more to a range of placky figures and arguably a bigger market. Of course the whole thing is a more or less cynical grab to squeeze the last quid out of their WW2 range.

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2018, 12:25:38 AM »
I suppose they're starting to look at their existing WWII range and considering how many more expansions are on the lines for it. They could go another decade, however diversifying the line up helps too to keep the player base interested. We don't necessarily need every other battle of WWII covered, at least not if players are inventive enough to write their own scenarios, and Rich H's vehicle design rules cover any equipment not already covered (though I imagine that many are stickler's for actual rules instead of making them up themselves).

Though is this more for an expansion of the existing rules, or an excuse to use the miniatures line? If its the former, then ideally we'd be seeing expansions in future that allow for more dynamic warfare not so constrained by the squad system. If its the later then they may as well go ahead and cover later conflicts too that used WWII era equipment, then start moving into the Cold War and modern period as the newer stuff came in.

I'd avoid most of their infantry, as they'll likely be more of those chunky "Heroic scale" style types, but would be interested in more Cold War style artillery pieces and other specialist weapons that aren't necessarily made by the other companies (there's a shortage of Post-War large equipment currently in 28mm. I don't care about the tanks though, as they'd be 1/56th, and the big modern companies are mostly doing 1/50th unfortunately).


Offline Bindonblood

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2018, 07:15:44 PM »
If they do reasonable Commonwealth figures, I'm definitely in.

If it's Americans only for the UN, possibly.

I do like the idea of them increasing the scope of Bolt Action, opening up the wars of the 1950s.

Presumably if this sells well, Vietnam will be next.

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2018, 08:11:45 PM »
I imagine that there are more potential and actual Vietnam players than Korean War, so I can't see how that would follow.

If they went for Vietnam and it was successful, I can imagine them thinking Korea might be worth a shot.

I'm with Wyrmalla and see it as squeezing the most sales out of what they have in the catalogue already.

I will be happy to be proved wrong though.

Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2018, 10:06:19 PM »
I would buy plastic Vietnam figures, if decently sculpted, if for no other reason than the bits would be useful for other things.

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2018, 10:09:13 PM »
Going into a later period may option up the whole company to modern miniatures. Which I've no idea is within their current business scope. 1/56th Cold War vehicles like BMP-1s would be an interesting sight from Warlord, especially if they were to do plastics. However, that's a massive investment for a company that so far has gone all in on covering many nuanced WWII vehicles (and themselves haven't put a dent in that area, with companies like Die Waffenkammer making variants they don't do).

It'd be a big step into a market that's so far already saturated. It least it seemed to be, based on when Kings Hobbies and Games had attempted to run a Vietnam Kickstarter a while back to be met with folks saying that they already had a glut of options. Which is to say that were Warlord to move into a later conflict, they'd likely have to either pick one which wasn't already covered, or release figures nobody else does. And even then, if the individual soldiers weren't just their WWII sets re-used, they'd still wind up making loads of infantry rather than having players use some of their's and then ones from other companies- at least from a marketing standpoint, as they'd need their figures for the artwork in their books.

Which again brings me around to thinking that there may be use in the system for those who already use it for Post-WWII games. But realistically the only interest I'd show is if Warlord were to make models which aren't already covered, or do them better (...). Warlord's better kitted out than the smaller companies to make more complex models, as opposed to single infantry casts. So ideally they'd use that to make larger kits, or more complicated ones like the larger weapons, rather than releasing an infantry line that someone's already done before (I can't speak much for the quality of the Cold War miniatures lines, though some of the big name's ranges seem to be from the "massive gun and chunky feet" era).

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2018, 07:02:27 AM »
Sounds interesting. I certainly think Vietnam would fill a gap in the market as 28mm ranges out there are limited and a bit dated.

A box of plastic marines, army , VC and NVA would be fantastic supported by metals. We have been discussing this lately but did wonder if vietnam was a no go in the minds of US gamers hence limited popularity

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2018, 09:31:13 AM »
I dunno, I suspect American gamers are used to playing conflicts where they lost.

The range of decent figures covering Vietnam is actually slim pickings. TAG are about the best of a limited pool. I actually quite liked the SpecialmArtizan kickstarter figures, at least the Vietnamese and was going to back them when the pin was pulled. I emailed the owner and ge said he was planning on releasing them some time this year when he had reconfigured the packs.

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Re: Bolt Action Korea
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2018, 10:46:41 AM »
Gaming after 1945 has always been a niche, with Vietnam taking the greater cut of that. That cut may have been reduced by the resurrection of 'Team Yankee' era and the entry of the new 'Moderns' (or are we still calling everything Post 9-11 'Ultra-Modern'?), but it is still probably the biggest fish, albeit there are more small ones than there used to be.

It also has longevity due to 'reality' on its side, I wonder how long TY will last... but then VBCW is also a 'what-if' and that has survived ten years, despite the naysayers way-back-when.

Despite my previous comments, if I was Warlord I would think Korea is the logical expansion. Vietnam means new vehicles and figures all round. Korea is barely a push with DPRK/PVA as wholly new figures, U.S. Infantry could double for WWII and even if they produced the M39 AUV, it was used in the closing months of WWII, as were U.S. 57mm & 75mm RCLs. If it proved popular then I guess Commonwealth and ROK stuff would follow.

Wave attack stereotypes aside, it was very much a platoon leader's war by virtue of the terrain, more so than WWII in fact. I don't see it ever eclipsing WWII, but it could prove worthwhile for Warlord.