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Author Topic: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.  (Read 8274 times)

Offline bazookajoe

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2018, 04:47:37 AM »
Against

The Egyptians invaded Sudan in the early 1820s to get slaves and gold (they got more of the former) and that was when Khartoum was established.  Egyptian slave raids further up the Nile into what is now South Sudan led to clashes with the local Shilluk and Dinka in the 1830s and 40s. 

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2018, 09:59:11 AM »
The English idiom can be vague and confusing sometimes, Italwars. "To fight with..." can mean both fighting alongside someone or against them, depending on the context.

I fought with my brother over a girl.

I fought with my brother against our neighbours.

The wording is the same, but they mean the opposite things.  :)

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2018, 10:26:36 AM »
...but do you have any evidence that Shilluks even fought VS those remote Egyptian garrisons?


There is this...

From A History of South Sudan: From Slavery to Independence by Oystein H. Rolandsen and M. W. Daly:

"The slave trade thrived, with the government's tax-hungry connivance and the open participation of officials. In 1875 the Shilluk had risen in open revolt, attacked Kaka, killed the provincial governor and threatened the post at Fashoda. The rebellion was put down, and the reth, Kaiku, accepted a continued government presence..."



It then mentions Shilluk fighting as auxiliaries with an Egyptian force against the Mahdists, them being defeated and Kaiku being killed. But then it seems news of the Mahdist revolt caused many of the southern tribes to have a try at kicking the Egyptians out themselves...


"A rebellion broke out among the Shatt, Shilluk Luo, Bongo and Dembo... Garrisons and government patrols in the east  were now massacred. During the first half of 1883 Lupton confronted what, if it had been coordinated, might have been a general rising of the Dinka. The garrison at Rumbek was massacred and the post destroyed. In October, his second-in-command, the highly experienced Rifa 'i Agha, and some 400 of his men were killed in a battle with the Shilluk Luo."



The "Lupton" mentioned is Frank Lupton Bey, a British official working for the Egyptians. He surrendered to the Mahdists when they overran the south. He was enslaved by them for a spell, but later released and allowed to live in Khartoum, where he later died of disease.






 

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2018, 10:56:14 AM »
The English idiom can be vague and confusing sometimes, Italwars. "To fight with..." can mean both fighting alongside someone or against them, depending on the context.

I fought with my brother over a girl.

I fought with my brother against our neighbours.

The wording is the same, but they mean the opposite things.  :)

You fought with your brother against a girl? I bet you still lost bigly...
« Last Edit: September 29, 2018, 11:03:27 AM by Hammers »

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2018, 10:59:25 AM »
Your deliberate misunderstanding is not helping. I know you speak perfect English (unless you've had a drink or two).  lol




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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2018, 11:02:35 AM »
Your deliberate misunderstanding is not helping. I know you speak perfect English (unless you've had a drink or two).  lol

I know fully well what you wrote but i remain sceptical to your version of what really happened.

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2018, 04:29:59 PM »
I love these miniatures.  Nice to see some less well known tribes Getty attention
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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2018, 06:50:18 PM »
PAINTING A SHILLUK WARBAND

Skin – like other Nilotic tribes the Shilluk people are very dark-skinned.
Robes – shades of rusty red from pale salmon to dark terracotta.
Loincloths – leopard skin, or animal hide.
Anklets – sheep or goatskin
Jewellery – ambatch reed coils around legs and arms (presumably off-white), heavy ivory bracelets and strings of whitish beads. Some warriors wore brass or iron earrings.
Hairstyles – a wide variety of styles, sometimes straightened and bleached yellow, or partially coloured with red ochre. Feather decorations seem to have been mostly black ostrich feathers.
Facial Scarring – sometimes the distinctive line of raised scars from ear to ear over the brow was painted red, white or alternately both.
Shields – unpainted hide, so various shades of brown.
Spears – long spears (up to 8 feet long) often with a tuft of black ostrich feathers near the butt. Many of their spearheads were long and wide, made of iron, but others were long and narrow, carved from bone (light brown) or made from antelope horns (black or dark brown).
Clubs – polished wood, sometimes with darker brown or black heads.
Bugle-Horn – made from a black antelope horn and a reddish brown gourd.

Painting guide by Mark Copplestone sculptor of the Shilluk

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Re: New Darkest Africa from Copplestone Castings.
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2018, 06:53:44 PM »
That was posted by Kev Dallimore on the Death in the Dark Continent Players Page. I'll try to share the content here, but if you use Facebook this is a good place to get the info first:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/259046974534553/