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Offline commissarmoody

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2018, 01:44:52 PM »
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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2018, 06:05:22 PM »
In addition to the stahlhelm Freikorps, they also released a K66 Schupo Sonderwagen 21 armored car.

http://www.empressminiatures.com/userimages/procart51.htm

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2018, 06:26:02 PM »
And here's a picture of one of those beasts "in situ."  Evidently these vehicles were manufactured from 1921 well into the 1930's for use by the German police (including the Landespolizei Bayern ((State Police of Bavaria)).   

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yp65g5zLV4Y/ULAICbYJdvI/AAAAAAAAB7A/HEqEu8HA3AU/s1600/Schupo-Sonderwagen-21-Ehrhardt.jpg

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2018, 09:01:38 PM »
Interesting choice given it was a vehicle that wasn’t produced until two years after the German Revolution finished. The clue is in the ‘21’ part of the original name.

Are they planning a further range based on the Beer Hall Putsch?

I suppose it would be a useful addition to anyone planning an interwar Reichsheer army. Maybe someone will come along with the figures for such.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2018, 11:38:53 PM »
An E-V/4 would have been better. Demand was such that they went back into production for the police in 1919.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2018, 02:34:41 AM »
Indeed. Actually someone else made one as well. Black Army? Tobsen 77? It was someone on here IIRC.

The fun toys you want for the historical version of the 'German Revolution' would, unsurprisingly, be  entirely Great War vintage. Ex-British and  the odd  Renault beutepanzer, Erhardt armored cars, an A7V and Daimler lorries, some fitted up as gun trucks. Most, if not all, of that is available already available from various sources.

Still, new toys are always welcome.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2018, 03:06:56 AM »
Yep Black army makes one. https://black-army-productions.myshopify.com/collections/engines-of-war/products/e-v-4-ehrhardt-armored-car

Now What I am wandering is if the Spartacist mins will work well for the Red Ruhr, or other add hock units nationalist units in the Baltic states.
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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2018, 06:13:47 AM »
In addition to the stahlhelm Freikorps, they also released a K66 Schupo Sonderwagen 21 armored car.

http://www.empressminiatures.com/userimages/procart51.htm

Empress already had that armored car available. It was just buried in a list of armored cars and tanks under Jazz Age Imperialism. Putting it with the Tsuba figures makes it easy to find, though.
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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2018, 08:21:51 AM »
Yep Black army makes one. https://black-army-productions.myshopify.com/collections/engines-of-war/products/e-v-4-ehrhardt-armored-car

Now What I am wandering is if the Spartacist mins will work well for the Red Ruhr, or other add hock units nationalist units in the Baltic states.

The short answer is yes. I have some of them and they are sufficiently generic to represent any German faction with access to military kit for the period in question. Some of the Germans could easily be used as German equipped Poles (ex Polnische Wehrmacht).

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2018, 10:52:09 AM »
Good to know.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2018, 04:04:09 PM »
Glanced over the Osprey Feikorps book at the local library on the weekend in response to the new figures. The book mentions that the Reds outnumbered the Freikorps, but that the latter were better trained and disciplined.

Anyone have any comments or anything to add to this?

Just wondering about appropriate rules. One of the challenging things is that the fighting does really appear to be one-sided and the Freikorps always won quickly.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2018, 05:16:49 PM »
Not unlike the Spanish Civil War, the Reds were a mix of ideologically opposed elements (KPD, SDP, USDP etc), whose main strength was in workers militias. When you have one section who want to completely bring down a society and re-build it, another who want to reform it, another who want to partially do the same but through the democratic process and finally the 'coffee shop anarchists' who just seemingly wanted to theorise, then it was going to be an up-hill struggle.

Their opponents on the other hand enjoyed the support of central government and the 'establishment'. They were in the main almost wholly ex-soldiers, with considerable experience and competence with their personal and heavy weapons. They were typically serving in formal units under their wartime commanders. Their ideology was simply to kill all the Reds, no ideological debate necessary.

That's my understanding, such as it is.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2018, 07:17:24 PM »
The Reds did have the support of the Volksmarine Division of former sailors who would be trained and disciplined - to the extent that discipline still held up given that they were now all "liberated".

It would be challenging to come up with rules which reflected the different composition of the Red side, but yet gave them a solid chance of winning a game.

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Re: Tsuba new Freikorps
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2018, 07:42:44 PM »
The Volksmarines sat out the Spartacist Revolt iirc.

I suppose the degree of political differences would vary by the level of game you're playing. It used to be popular to try to introduce similar facets into SCW games, up to the point of units changing sides... which when you have such polarisation of politics is a bit ridiculous.

Any minor political differences with the guy next to you at the barricade tends to be forgotten when the real opposition comes round the corner.

I think scenarios that allow the Reds to gain a political victory, even though they might lose the game in terms of the military aspect, would level the playing field. Rosa Luxemburg became a martyr and rallying cry just by getting thrown in the Landwehr Canal, so maybe the 'heroic defence of wherever' might draw support too.

There would be a certain degree of satisfaction in holding back the tanks, flamethrowers and what-have-you, that your power-gaming opponent throws at you, if you could get points for that orphanage he damaged, or that you held them off for ten minutes instead of five, allowing the local committee to make their escape by tram.
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