LRDG 20mm vs 28mm

[Dobbie71064]

Good morning everyone!

I'm currently planning out a summer project and I wanted to get some advice from the masses!

This summer, I'm planning on hosting a large scale North Africa themed campaign with a local gaming group. This will be played over multiple months and will use various rule sets for different game types. I'm working on my own solitaire set for larger battalion- regimental scale engagements, this set will be released later this summer on Wargame Vault for anyone who is interested. We will also use Disposable Heros V1 for smaller platoon scale actions along with the odd game of Battlegroup for larger company scale actions.

Now my issues is on scale. I've got a large range of 6mm miniatures for use with Battlegroup and my own ruleset but I'm at a loss regarding the scale for the skirmish games. I'm looking at mainly collecting raiding forces to start, forces such as the LRDG and the Auto-Sahara along with some 8th army, DAK and Italian opponents. Now, after looking though Captian Blood's fantastic North Africa themed thread, 28mm is really appealing to me with the fantastic Perry Miniatures. I'm also thinking 20mm could be an option with the amount of 1/76 scale models out there making purchasing tanks/ soft skins easier and cheaper. I find second hand 20mm vehicles are usually readily available at Hot Lead (A gaming convention at the end of March) so that is a bonus as well.

What are everyone's thoughts? Can anyone offer any suggestions for suitable Auto-Sahara/LRDG 28mm miniatures? Also, I'd love to hear the best 20mm 8th Army/ LRDG, DAK and Italian miniatures out there. Plastic or Metal, it doesn't matter to me!

Thanks in advance!

Andrew

[bluewillow]

I prefer 20mm as then you can do airfield raids and port raids etc

available 8th army incl Australians/kiwis/SA/indians LRDG/SAS, DAK and Italians

LRDG 8th army, DAK & Italians (Shelhole scenics) ( Shellhole & 20mmZone ) http://shellholescenics.co.uk/
LRDG 8th Army, Italian, French and German (Dixon) http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/20mm-wwII-range/
LRDG 8th army, DAK, Italian, French, 8th army, australians, Indians, SAS  (Foundry Miniatures)
 https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/search?q=20mm
LRDG, DAK, 8th, Australian, Italians. (Wartime Miniatures) http://www.wartimeminiatures.com.au/ourshop/cat_948500-20mm-WarTime-Miniatures-WWII.html
LRDG, DAK, 8th army, italians (Kellys heroes plus Britannia figures and vehicles )https://www.grubbytanks.com/
LRDG, DAK, 8th army, Italians, French (Early War Miniatures) https://earlywarminiatures.com/product-category/early-war-1939-1942/
Italians (Mirliton) http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?cName=ww2-20mm-172-ww2-italians-20mm
LRDG (force 20) http://www.thehobbyden.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=lrdg

lots of plastic and resin vehicles available 
Dragon do the chevy gun truck, patrol car and jeep
airfix do the chevy and jeep
esci do the F30
academy

SHQ all three trucks and jeep
 
Resin
CMK F30 truck
Britannia trucks and jeep
Wespe ford and chevy 30cwt gun and radio truck


accessories







cheers
Matt

[Captain Blood]

Well, if you go for 28mm / 1/56, Rubicon are about to bring out a fabulous looking LRDG Chevvy truck which will allow building of several variants... http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=722.30

There’s really no shortage of softskin vehicles and AFVs in this scale, particularly if you only need a few for a skirmish game 

You’ll be unsurpised to know that I very much recommend the Perry ranges - about to be boosted by an US Infantry plastic set for Operation Torch and onward...

[Ultravanillasmurf]

I agree with Captain Blood about the Rubicon LRDG Chevy plus they have the Commonwealth Jeep.

http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=623.0
The crews are definitely compatible with the Perry range (which I also recommend).

The instructions for the current Rubicon kits can be found here: http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=576.0

[lou passejaire]

i agree , even if the rubicon Chevy seem's missing a lot of stowage ...

[Ultravanillasmurf]

i agree , even if the rubicon Chevy seem's missing a lot of stowage ...

That is what the stowage sets are for:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=441.0
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=312.0

[Dobbie71064]

That is what the stowage sets are for:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=441.0
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=312.0

Who is the maker of that Jeep? Rubicon? It looks fantastic!!

Thanks for the comments everyone, you guys are selling me more and more on 28mm! It's a scale I've worked with before and my local group has 28mm Canadians and Germans for Normandy. I'd love to hear and see more reviews about the various 28mm LRDG miniatures!

[Truscott Trotter]

if you are looking at 28mm I would look at these guys
http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/catalogue.asp?n=1&lang=en

[lou passejaire]

That is what the stowage sets are for:

but it's a shame to provide variants and extra parts on most kits and missing stuff on the Chevy ... a LRDG truck without an overload of stowage is a non sense ... 

[Ultravanillasmurf]

if you are looking at 28mm I would look at these guys
http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/catalogue.asp?n=1&lang=en

That looks nice.
http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/product.asp?d=%7BC6E19625-FBDC-4AA0-96AC-F5998E681461%7D&n=0&brandID=&RID=&searchword=&country=&subsection=&uom=&mindim1=&maxdim1=&mindim2=&maxdim2=&minprice=&maxprice=&countryoforigin=&sort=&cat=Elite&counter=1

but it's a shame to provide variants and extra parts on most kits and missing stuff on the Chevy ... a LRDG truck without an overload of stowage is a non sense ... 

If you look at the Offensive Miniatures Chevy, they do two versions. The one above is the Chevy plus bits.

This is their base model.


The geared up one :
http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/product.asp?d=%7B6AF1A7FE-440F-4346-874B-DD8D7553C129%7D&n=0&brandID=&RID=&searchword=&country=&subsection=&uom=&mindim1=&maxdim1=&mindim2=&maxdim2=&minprice=&maxprice=&countryoforigin=&sort=&cat=Elite&counter=6
Is their command vehicle plus add on set.

Of course Offensive have their metal range available now, Rubicon is still work in progress.

[Ultravanillasmurf]

Who is the maker of that Jeep? Rubicon? It looks fantastic!!

Thanks for the comments everyone, you guys are selling me more and more on 28mm! It's a scale I've worked with before and my local group has 28mm Canadians and Germans for Normandy. I'd love to hear and see more reviews about the various 28mm LRDG miniatures!

It is the Rubicon Commonwealth Jeep. The brown figures are Perry Eighth Army. The stowage is from the Allied Stowage set (I swapped the US Jerry can for a Rubicon W^D one).

The Perry plastics are nice, just more slight than Warlord.

[Dobbie71064]

It is the Rubicon Commonwealth Jeep. The brown figures are Perry Eighth Army. The stowage is from the Allied Stowage set (I swapped the US Jerry can for a Rubicon W^D one).

Perfect thanks for the heads up! I'm going to keep my eyes open for the Rubicon models at Hotlead, maybe I can pick up something for a decent price! The Jeep is really nice, and seems to scale well with the Perry Plastics which I believe will form the bulk of my forces. A box of Desert Rats and a box of DAK should be plenty for Disposable Heros.

Speaking of scale, back when we were doing LW Disposable Heros I had purchased some Corgi vehicles which I believe were 1:50th scale, the vehicles were fantastic! I've seen some desert models from Corgi as well such as Shermans and Churchills. Does anyone know how they scale with the Rubicon models? Also, does anyone know of a complete catalog for Corgi 1:50th scale vehicles? I haven't found anything online as of yet, just webstores which don't seem to have the complete listing of skus.

[Hammers]

if you are looking at 28mm I would look at these guys
http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/catalogue.asp?n=1&lang=en

That's a lovely ensemble!

[SteveBurt]

i went with 20mm for my LRDG stuff simply because all my WW2 stuff is that scale.
Matchbox used to do a nice LRDG kit, and Brittania and others do resin models.

[Ultravanillasmurf]

Speaking of scale, back when we were doing LW Disposable Heros I had purchased some Corgi vehicles which I believe were 1:50th scale, the vehicles were fantastic! I've seen some desert models from Corgi as well such as Shermans and Churchills. Does anyone know how they scale with the Rubicon models?

Rubicon are 1/56 scale, so there is a bit of a difference. I do not have any of the Corgi models, but I do have a couple of comparison photographs which might show the issue.

The grey jeep on the left is the recent Empress WW2 Jeep, which is either 1/48 or 1/50. The painted one is the 1/56 Warlord jeep and the one in the bag (which is within visual scale the same size as the Warlord one) is the Rubicon one.

The Warlord Jeep does a get a bit of stick for looking titchy compared to the Warlord figures.

Crooked Dice Men from 3000 for scale.

The Warlord Kubelwagen is noticeably larger than the Perry one (the Rubicon one is on my shopping list).


This last scale comparison is not quite fair.

The top one is a cheap die cast Beetle for O Gauge (7mm to the foot, 1/43 scale), the bottom is a Company B 1/56 command car.

William Killian for scale on a 25mm base.