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Offline Silent Invader

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #315 on: May 06, 2020, 07:06:18 PM »
Thanks all, your comments are appreciated   :D
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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #316 on: May 06, 2020, 09:05:01 PM »
I like your work, Steve. Very nice. Hope to see them live in october.
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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #317 on: May 07, 2020, 04:51:13 AM »
Wonderful set of rural buildings, fields and such. So many game possibilities there. I really like how you placed a few buildings on a large base; that really helps it looking like a village as opposed to a collection of buildings on a table.

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #318 on: May 07, 2020, 05:26:54 AM »
Maize???
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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #319 on: May 07, 2020, 06:26:52 AM »
Thanks folks, much appreciated.

Regarding multiple buildings on a base, I can’t claim any originality, as that’s an approach that’s been very successfully used by many others (OSHIROmodelterrain is a regular example). Interestingly, the thatched cottages started as straight buildings, then I added them to garden bases, and now they’re becoming parts of village tiles.....  maybe one day they’ll have yet another incarnation  :D

Maize???

Posts like this from a stranger - an unknown quantity - can seem so unnecessarily combative. A meaningful sentence with a single question mark can amount to a genuine enquiry. A single word with multiple question marks can be the foregoing, or can be mockery, irritation or - the worst in my opinion - derision (with the subtext of ‘I know better [snort]’). Nonetheless, I shall throw caution aside and presume the post to be a genuine enquiry. :)

So yes, a small enclosure of some of that new-fangled corn (this being North Essex in mid 17thc).

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #320 on: May 07, 2020, 07:59:29 AM »
That looks magnificent, it gives a real sense of place. Now needs some dragoons hiding behind the hedges!
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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #321 on: May 07, 2020, 09:05:55 AM »
Most Excellent!  Particularly like the way it all 'gels' together seamlessly.
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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #322 on: May 07, 2020, 09:48:51 AM »
Superb photos, it looks brilliant, the low angle shots in particular show off the terrain to its best effect. Stunning stuff :-*

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #323 on: May 07, 2020, 11:34:56 AM »
An excellent build and lots of interesting ideas to be copied  😉

I too wondered about the maize/corn but looked it up - brought to Europe by Columbus 👍
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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #324 on: May 07, 2020, 12:09:34 PM »
That's a glorious looking table! Very inspirational

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #325 on: May 07, 2020, 01:59:38 PM »
Thanks all  :D

I too wondered about the maize/corn but looked it up - brought to Europe by Columbus 👍

I must admit that I’ve not read widely on the matter but in my research I did learn of Spanish frescos, dating from 1515/17, that include depictions of corn growing in Spain. I’ve also found references to Turkish* Corn being grown in gardens in England before 1612**.

*Turkish believed to mean foreign not from Turkey
**Gerards Herball published 1636 though the author died in 1612

So corn seems to have been grown (experimentally, at least) from the 16thC. Essex is synonymous with cereal crops, as the local climate is relatively dry, so Essex seems a likely place to have experimented. North Essex / South Suffolk were also wealthy from wool***, and though the boom times of the 15thC and 16thC had passed, the survival of so many fine period houses suggests that for some their wealth persevered.

***If a local combination of dry flat fields of cereals and luscious rolling pastures of grass seem to be at odds, it’s worth bearing in mind that a big proportion of the sheep were grazed on the coastal marshes, of which Essex had a lot (the landscape is also relatively flat in the south of the county, becoming a bit more rolling further north)

So, while I recognise that a small enclosure of corn wouldn’t work for a Medieval game, by 1640-1690 (the broad timeframe I’ve aimed for) it seems to be entirely reasonable (or alternatively, not entirely unreasonable) for such a crop to have been tested in wealthy Essex.

Incidentally, the height of the corn places the terrain piece as just before harvesting, which in Essex could I think be early September. In any event, the rest of the landscape is intended to represent September.

Any controversy could be avoided by me not using the piece but I have made a point of including a number of elements indicative of my early childhood in North Essex: the cornfields, the sheep pastures, the hedge-lined lanes (still dirt tracks even then) and white-washed timber-framed houses (which in Medieval times might well have all been pinkish, due to coloration from the clay subsoil). 

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #326 on: May 07, 2020, 02:50:41 PM »
I understood that 1600s were a major period for agricultural experimentation in Britain, partly due to an agricultural depression caused by price drops. Tobacco fields, woad, madder, were all grown in a number of areas by landowners trying to diversify. Vegetables, fruit and herb gardens were very popular amongst smallholders. I don't see why a small field of maize should be such an issue under such circumstances?

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #327 on: May 07, 2020, 02:52:36 PM »
I understood that 1600s were a major period for agricultural experimentation in Britain, partly due to an agricultural depression caused by price drops. Tobacco fields, woad, madder, were all grown in a number of areas by landowners trying to diversify. Vegetables, fruit and herb gardens were very popular amongst smallholders. I don't see why a small field of maize should be such an issue under such circumstances?

Excellent  8)

Thanks Steve  :D

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #328 on: May 07, 2020, 05:22:28 PM »
A friend of mine, who does lots of research on 17th century, especially
the weird & wonderful, told me once that Rape seed (that vivid yellow
stuff in lots of UK fields) was grown in Tudor England.

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Re: Not-So Merrye Englande: UD 6/5: lots of finished photos
« Reply #329 on: May 07, 2020, 10:36:29 PM »
That board is looking spectular
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