*
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
March 29, 2024, 02:13:59 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Donate

We Appreciate Your Support

Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 1686604
  • Total Topics: 118111
  • Online Today: 626
  • Online Ever: 2235
  • (October 29, 2023, 12:32:45 AM)
Users Online

Recent

Author Topic: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza  (Read 2282 times)

Offline Annie

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 678
  • "Down with this sort of thing!" (Careful now)
    • Bad Squiddo Games
Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« on: April 16, 2019, 06:37:15 PM »
These two ladies (in two variants each) were sculpted and then painted by John Morris AKA Monkey Spirals.

I'm really happy with them, it was nice to do something a bit different.

You can get em here
https://badsquiddogames.com/shop#!/Monarchy/c/21735094/offset=0&sort=addedTimeDesc

Lucrezia Borgia was the daughter of future pope Alexander VI, and her three marriages into influential families helped build the political power of her own family. Historians debate whether or not Borgia was an active participant in her notorious family’s crimes, but interest in her has inspired countless works of art, books, and films.

One of the rumours was that she was a fan of poisoning people via poison concealed in her hollow ring.... that sounds familiar hey?



Caterina Sforza was born in Milan in early 1463, the illegitimate daughter of Galeazzo Maria Sforza by his mistress, Lucrezia Landriani. Her life was... colourful. Well worth further reading. She held various posts of political and military power, with many, many murders under her belt.

My favourite part of the story (for it's awful) was during a seige where her children were captured and being threatened, she lifted her skirt, grabbed her crotch and declared that she possessed the instruments to make more. So there you go.

The connection to someone else in our range, Lucrezi Borgia, is that her son was due to marry her. She refused to allow this to happen and fell out with the pope over it, then of course tried to poison him. She liked poison. And torture!



Cheers!

Annie
Bad Squiddo Games
www.badsquiddogames.com

Offline FierceKitty

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1718
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 11:39:51 PM »
The "ten more sons!" flashing bit is a fun story, but there's no way it's true. We have the details of how the legend evolved. Sorry, but it's another pornographic fantasy, like Godiva's ride.
The laws of probability do not apply to my dice in wargames or to my finesses in bridge.

Offline FifteensAway

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 4608
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 01:28:39 AM »
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!! :o >:(  Lady Godiva didn't ride naked!  What poltroon voided that bit of history!   o_o

 ;D lol lol lol

Offline bergschotten

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 222
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 08:45:37 AM »
Lucrezia Borgia was the daughter of future pope Alexander VI, and her three marriages into influential families helped build the political power of her own family. Historians debate whether or not Borgia was an active participant in her notorious family’s crimes, but interest in her has inspired countless works of art, books, and films.

One of the rumours was that she was a fan of poisoning people via poison concealed in her hollow ring.... that sounds familiar.

Love the figures-but given the context of positive female (role) models I thought I would suggest that Lucrezia' notoriety, as was the rest of the family’s originated primarily because as Spaniards they entered a club (the Papal See) which had almost exclusively dominated by Italians.  They are directly damned by contemporary sources, namely Johann Burchard, Alexander VI master of ceremonies, who detested the family, and by the use of Cesare as a role model) by Machiavelli in the Prince, and lastly by immediate revisionism on the part of Julius II (Alexander’s life long enemy)

I don’t think they were a nice bunch (at all) but they were no worse/less corrupt/nepotistic than those who preceded them or succeeded them. 

Lucrezia was (as was typical of the time) a pawn in her family’s dynastic ambitions. As to her nature who can know but it is perhaps telling that her last marriage Alfonso d'Este (Duke of Ferrara) whilst not happy saw her being given the title of the ‘Good Duchess’ and her tomb (which I have visited) in a local convent attests to her good works and nature.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2019, 09:01:18 AM by bergschotten »

Offline YPU

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 4255
  • In glorious 3D!
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 08:51:31 AM »
Lovely models as always, and also greatly useful for fantasy stuff by the looks of it!
3d designer, sculptor and printer, at your service!



3d files! (here)

Offline Annie

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 678
  • "Down with this sort of thing!" (Careful now)
    • Bad Squiddo Games
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 12:59:12 PM »
Oh there isn't a context of positive female role models in Bad Squiddo, or that would be boring. Its covering women from history from the saintly to downright evil and all the grey areas in between. They still need representing.

A lot of tales are tall tales, and the Renaissance is rife with it, doesn't make it not interesting though. Digging through the myths and legends to find truths is part of the fun. It's an interesting discussion though!

Offline bergschotten

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 222
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 05:04:47 PM »
I suppose that is more positive than nubile fighting wenches etc

Not meaning to be boring or pedantic just stretching the chat.

Keep up the good work

Stephen

Offline Cyrus the Great

  • Librarian
  • Posts: 133
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 09:53:57 PM »
This is great news Annie. On my short list for May purchases.

Offline Helen

  • The Grey Heron
  • Supporting Adventurer
  • Galactic Brain
  • *
  • Posts: 5806
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2019, 12:09:52 AM »
Lovely work Annie, great release of miniatures.
Best wishes,
Helen
Love many things, for therein lies the true strength, and whosoever loves much performs much, and can accomplish much, and what is done in love is done well (V van Gogh)

Offline Leman

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 208
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2019, 11:49:35 AM »
Stick with the stories Annie, FK loves to put a dampener on things. If it’s the truth or the legend print the legend.
If it’s too hard, I can’t do it

Offline FierceKitty

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1718
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2019, 05:15:28 AM »
Ah. What we call fantasy?

Offline vodkafan

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 3510
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2019, 10:02:04 AM »
Ah. What we call fantasy?

Like Hollywood Historical
I am going to build a wargames army, a big beautiful wargames army, and Mexico is going to pay for it.

2019 Painting Challenge :
figures bought: 500+
figures painted: 57
9 vehicles painted
4 terrain pieces scratchbuilt

Offline Arrigo

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1074
  • errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum est
    • Forward HQ my new blog where you can laugh at my crappy photos!
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2019, 11:29:23 AM »
Quote
If it’s the truth or the legend print the legend.

why not both? Considering these ladies are real people, they should be given the benefit of doubts! (Born in Ferrara, grown in Riario's, as Gerolamo+Caterina, lands for decades... so technically I am a time switched subject of both!).

And... no one in Renaissance Italy was nice, and the Borgia's family 'crimes' have been played up by the Giuliano della Rovere (Juilus II) quite a lot. By the way Alexander VI was not the first Borgia to become pope, the family even has a saint in its roster.

By the way, Caterina was the mother of Giovanni de Medici, the famous condottiero (the one of the Black Bands).
"Put Grant straight in"

for pretty tanks and troops: http://forwardhq.blogspot.com

Offline Leman

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 208
Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2019, 12:23:17 PM »
I for one would be very happy to have an armour clad Caterina Sforza commanding from the battlements. I have already picked up a “Lucrezia Borgia” with bodyguards from Essex for my 15mm Italian Wars project.