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Offline Harry von Fleischmann

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2019, 06:22:28 PM »
Well then....

Offline Hammers

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2019, 10:45:34 AM »
Well then....

I have to ask: is the story true about how curry ketchup came about?  A cargo of curry and ketchup getting smashed during the cold war Berlin airlift?  :)

Offline bergschotten

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2019, 01:59:57 PM »
Die Entdeckung der Currywurst by Uwe Timm reveals the whole story, well nearly :-*

Offline Harry von Fleischmann

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2019, 07:12:43 PM »
I’m just wondering - I think I know the answer - but in a game set in 20s Berlin, would anyone play the SA? I personally wouldn’t but would some see them as “just another faction”?

I know the echoes the questions some feel about fielding SS units and the sense of unease I had seeing the FOW partisans and polizei box. No matter how much I liked the flak truck....

Offline moiterei_1984

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2019, 08:13:31 PM »
Well SA would certainly not be my faction of choice but if I was to do the period I‘d include them as frankly I don‘t think the Reds behaved any better in regards to their political enemies. To my eyes it‘s only what happened after 1933 with the Nazis actually taking over power in Germany what made the difference in the end. Just to play the devils advocate: If the Reds had won that power struggle and errected their Gulags and what have you, maybe we‘d today sit here and ask ourselves if we could justify it to ourselves to play the Rotfrontkämpferbund?

I feel a little disclaimer is in order here:
I certainly don‘t intend to belittle the abhorrent crimes to humanity perpetrated by the Nazis and their henchmen. But at this point in the timeline these deeds are still in the future and I don‘t think most German, let alone foreign, contemporaries really thought it possible that Hitler and his chronies really could pull off the things he‘d laid out in „Mein Kampf“.
Thus I think it‘d be wrong to exclude the SA, which were an essential part of what was going on back then. Actually unlike the SS in WW2, which on the battlefield (as that’s still what we’re recreating on our tables), didn’t do anything other Wehrmacht units couldn’t have performed.
For Babylon Berlin though I actually think if one was to play the period you need to factor in the SA to fully understand the going ons back then.
I can perfectly understand if one is hesitant about giving those bastards their „place in the sun“, but then maybe the Revolution of 1919 itself is probably better suited.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2019, 08:15:42 PM by moiterei_1984 »

Offline Harry von Fleischmann

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2019, 08:25:57 PM »
Fair comment. I remain torn between:
A) they were a feature of the period as much as the Reds for example and to airbrush them out gives a false impression
And
B) I’m uncomfortable with a faction with their track record of applying a disgusting policies on the street

As you say, 1919 is a bit more straightforward

Perhaps by 29 we are edging into pulp and in that the Nazi / SA is a goon there to be fought.

I did think of a random faction name generator - you could always reroll if you generated national socialist....

Offline commissarmoody

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2019, 10:01:45 PM »
I did think of a random faction name generator - you could always reroll if you generated national socialist....
Some thing like the AK47 republic name/faction generator should work with a little bit of work.
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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2019, 10:24:33 PM »
Just watched the whole series.
Love it.
A question if I may ask.
Does the series cover just the first book?
Or did they mix the second and third books in?
Thanks for any replies.
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Offline Harry von Fleischmann

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2019, 05:08:51 AM »
just the first book I think; the 2nd book features the film industry....

Offline Harry von Fleischmann

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2019, 09:34:07 PM »
So....a Tsuba Spartacist painted up as a member of Reichsbanner Schwartz Rot Gold

Cap badge and armband don’t bear close scrutiny.

Quite why the pic posts sideways I have a clue.... I apologise fir any cricked necks
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 09:37:49 PM by Harry von Fleischmann »

Offline commissarmoody

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2019, 11:51:58 PM »
Nice! Looking forward to seeing what else you make.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2019, 05:11:27 AM by commissarmoody »

Offline warrenpeace

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2019, 03:30:41 AM »
Just watched the whole series.
Love it.
A question if I may ask.
Does the series cover just the first book?
Or did they mix the second and third books in?
Thanks for any replies.

I would describe the first TV series of 16 episodes as a hugely expanded version of the first book. I read somewhere that some elements of the second book were included, but can't confirm that because I only just finished the first book. Some plot elements in the first book are greatly altered in the TV series.

What's really different is that the book is only told from the viewpoint of Gereon Rath. So you don't really get as much of the story of Charlotte Ritter, and none of the stories of Kardakov, Sorokin, Greta, etc. In the TV series there are several story lines being followed from multiple viewpoints. The TV series is much richer and more entertaining because of that.
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Offline Harry von Fleischmann

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2019, 06:09:33 AM »
I think that’s the best summing up of the series/books differences. I think I prefer the series. That said I’ve just bought book 3 so will be interesting to see if I change my mind.

I’ve a few more Tsuba on order from Empress, so I’ll have a few more DBSRG and Communists in a few days....thank you Commissar!

Offline Marine0846

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2019, 02:17:06 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys.
I really hope we get to see more.
Loved the different stories lines in the series.

Offline AzSteven

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Re: Babylon Berlin
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2019, 03:47:34 PM »
It's rare that a movie or tv version is better than the source book material, but in this case it definitely was.  And I definitely enjoyed that first book so its not a matter of being better than junk - the book is very good.