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Author Topic: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration  (Read 2611 times)

Offline Frostie

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War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« on: June 13, 2019, 10:54:25 AM »
Hello One and All,

I have large lead pile of the wonderful Peter Pig figures and am looking for a 'push'.

So the questions are

1. Order of Battle
2. Retinue and Leaders, so I can research their livery
3. Composition, ie  Mounted MAA, Foot MAA, Bill, Bow etc

If anyone can point me to an online source I would be very grateful


Offline Cubs

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2019, 10:59:40 AM »
As a quick reference, you can do a lot worse than BritishBattles.com, with a brief overview of the main battles and a quick assessment of leaders and forces - https://www.britishbattles.com/wars-of-the-roses/

No doubt it has errors and points of contention, but what historical study doesn't! It doesn't give a break-down of force composition though.
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Offline vexillia

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2019, 11:18:52 AM »
Hope these help.  The free sample pages of the source books may be exactly what you are looking for:
Good luck.


Offline Hu Rhu

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2019, 02:30:22 PM »
Look up The Perfect Captain 'A Coat of Steel rules and cards.  They have all the coats of arms as well as a short piece on the commander's role in the WotR.  Link here:

http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/request.html

The download links include cards for each of the major (and minor minor) nobles as well as the rules.

Offline bluewillow

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2019, 08:08:23 PM »
I have put together quite a list on my blog here

http://stormandconquest.blogspot.com/2019/02/liveries-of-war-of-roses.html

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Offline Leman

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2019, 10:08:12 AM »
My retro three’apence is John Gillingham’s The Wars of the Roses. One of the best general history books on the subject I have come across. The Osprey books on Towten, Tewksbury and the Armies of..... as well as the Pen and Sword Battlefield series books on several of the battles are  also very useful sources.
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Offline Ragnar

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2019, 11:47:22 AM »
Umm, I find this thread very informative; any chance of a sticky?
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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2019, 02:29:08 PM »
In terms of point 3, composition (and an awful lot of other erudite WOTR info) we already have a very substantial sticky here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=59060.0

I'd be surprised if this doesn't tell you everything you could ever possibly want to know on the subject of force composition in the Wars of the Roses!  ;)

Offline Ragnar

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2019, 08:34:37 PM »
Ah yes, I had forgotten about that interesting thread.  It was more about the livery information in this thread.  Anyhoo, probably no real need to sticky this.

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2019, 08:39:31 PM »
I’ll cut and paste the livery links from here into the existing WOTR sticky  :)

Offline Ragnar

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 08:41:52 PM »
Cool, thanks.  :)

Offline Wilgut Spleens

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2020, 08:31:30 AM »
Hope these help.  The free sample pages of the source books may be exactly what you are looking for:
Good luck.
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Offline Eric the Shed

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2020, 09:04:22 AM »
Poleaxed Books - excellent resource


Offline Atheling

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2020, 10:16:42 AM »
Hope these help.  The free sample pages of the source books may be exactly what you are looking for:
Good luck.

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Offline Neidhart

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Re: War ofthe Roses-Looking for Information and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2020, 01:30:16 PM »
Thanks for the links and suggestions above, I will get the above mentioned Source book for some rough OOBs.

As I have seen the books by Pat McGill? (only found this name in the preface at the Vexilla site) 'Standards, Badges & Livery Colours' and 'Heraldic Banners of the Wars of the Roses' mentioned a few times and they seem very interesting.
But the preface of the 'Heraldic Banners of the Wars of the Roses' made me curious how the list cites it sources. Are there any mentions of the sources where the banners are drawn from or is it a list wargamers have concluded to compromise with in terms of research effort and historical accuracy? I know that this is a hobby after all but as one can easily access a lot of primary sources online this would be great to cross check the banners.

And following on this, is there any book that lists the miniatures in 'Sir Thomas Holme's Book' or is there maybe even an edition of the whole thing? Some names can be read pretty easily put other are harder and without proper knowledge of the nobility of the time I think this will only lead to utter nonsense.
Same question goes for a version of the Grünenberg Armorial, while this one is not WotR specific I guess there are is some useful heraldry hidden in these.