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Author Topic: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 27/8)  (Read 3219 times)

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Re: 16thC Dutch Rebellion - Bosgeuzen - Forest Beggars
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2019, 07:18:45 PM »
Thank you kindly  8)

Apologies for the delay, I was sidetracked by the Edinburgh Festival :)

The only specific reference I can find is in a Pike and Shot Society article by Peter Lenders (he did quite a few and I think they might be useful generally).  His view is that there's little to no uniformity and much use of captured armour/clothing and that as a consequence a general field sign of red or orange  straps around the neck or red sashes for officers was worn.  The Beggars (regardless of sea or forest variety) are referred to as clad in 'Beggar-grey' although after 1572 new recruits tended to wear their normal every-day clothing.


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Re: 16thC Dutch Rebellion - Bosgeuzen - Forest Beggars
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2019, 07:27:56 PM »
Apologies for the delay, I was sidetracked by the Edinburgh Festival :)

The only specific reference I can find is in a Pike and Shot Society article by Peter Lenders (he did quite a few and I think they might be useful generally).  His view is that there's little to no uniformity and much use of captured armour/clothing and that as a consequence a general field sign of red or orange  straps around the neck or red sashes for officers was worn.  The Beggars (regardless of sea or forest variety) are referred to as clad in 'Beggar-grey' although after 1572 new recruits tended to wear their normal every-day clothing.

Excellent thank you. That helps.  8)
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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2019, 08:54:35 PM »
My pleasure.
Incidentally, these D'Arlo Figurines were new to me at Claymore and I bought a couple of packs to feed my Elizabethan/potentially Dutch forces:

http://shop.colonelbills-store.co.uk/epages/4f27da57-42ee-48c0-9cb8-22c9dd921a68.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/4f27da57-42ee-48c0-9cb8-22c9dd921a68/Categories/105

Maybe useful as Beggars?

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2019, 10:08:50 AM »
There’s some very nice examples there. I wonder how they size compared to Perry ECW and Foundry (by Perry) Late 16th Century ranges, the former of which are on the smaller side of 28s.

In other matters ....

To put the theory of windmills to bed, in considering terrain I have discovered the cartography of Jacob Van Deventer who between 1559 and 1575 mapped some 250 Dutch (and present day Belgian) towns and cities. The detail is extraordinary, down to individual houses and windmills.

His map of Oudenaarde:



Which includes a post mill on an open tripod base:



His maps include a lot of post mills on open tripod bases, so I did start to wonder if he drew them that way as a standard. He might well have done but he did draw other types as well: for example, his map of Rotterdam has at least two distinct types.

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2019, 10:57:38 AM »
That’s lovely  8)

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2019, 10:58:34 AM »
There’s some very nice examples there. I wonder how they size compared to Perry ECW and Foundry (by Perry) Late 16th Century ranges, the former of which are on the smaller side of 28s.


The D'Arlo figures are significantly bigger. Sadly I don't have any exact comparison shots (although I can do some when I get home).
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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2019, 10:59:35 AM »
D'arlo, Foundry ECW civilian on booster base, D'Arlo, Foundry/Casting Room Elizabethan (Swashbuckler size)

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2019, 11:00:39 AM »
Warlord, TAG, Foundry Swashbuckler, D'Arlo

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2019, 11:09:36 AM »
That is really helpful, thanks very much  8)

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2019, 11:41:48 AM »
A pleasure :)

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2019, 11:57:41 AM »
That’s lovely  8)

It is isn’t it.

I’m torn on where to locate my game. Broadly east of Bruges (including Oudenaarde) where the Geuzen had some short-lived, land-based success before proving no match for the Spanish Army that responded, or across the water further north in Zeeland where they held onto territory (the waterways and sea playing to the advantage of their nautical ‘roots’). That said, Zeeland wasn’t all success. In 1572 the Geuzen unsuccessfully besieged Goes which might provide for a happy compromise of city, countryside, rivers and sea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_of_Goes

The north of Goes, drawn 1575:



Anyways, too much thinking about stuff to do later, I have minis to paint.  :)


« Last Edit: August 06, 2019, 02:04:47 PM by Silent Invader »

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2019, 11:06:15 PM »
The D'Arlo figures are significantly bigger. Sadly I don't have any exact comparison shots (although I can do some when I get home).


Shouldn't be too bad if you used the D'Arlo ones as leaders/heroes (or bodyguards?)
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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2019, 07:40:33 AM »
Perry, D'Arlo, Perry, Perry, D'Arlo, Perry, D'Arlo

Buuuut most of the Perry figures are on 2mm boosters AND I picked the chunkier of the sculpts

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2019, 07:43:21 AM »
The D'Arlo figures look to be done by the same sculptor as Vendel?

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Re: Dutch Civil War 1568-87 - The Geuzen Ashore (UD 4/8)
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2019, 07:46:58 AM »
Foundry ECW, D'Arlo, Foundry, D'Arlo, Foundry, D'Arlo

Can't remember if the Foundry figures are on boosters or not. Looking at the bases, I am guessing so might be and some might not be. Being chunkier sculpts than the Perry ECW figures they fit better

And yes, they're supposed to be the same sculptor  - but are very slightly taller. I can do comparisons between D'Arlo, Vendel and Monolith/Timeline if people want?