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Author Topic: Aventine Early Byzantines! Extra Heavy, Heavy and Medium Infantry  (Read 20487 times)

Offline chema1986

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #75 on: May 04, 2020, 12:07:12 PM »
Very nice infantry!!  I will wait for the medium infantry, because super heavy infantry is not suitable for battles Pre 552 A.D. (against Sassanids, Vandals and Goths pre Taginae).

I am looking forward to see the expansion of this range!  specially the cavalry

I hope to see Arab allied cavalry  (Ghassanid allies or Lakhmid enemies),  Bucellarii, horse archers, clibanarii and Gepid cavalry/ Heruls... 

any news on these ? :)

Cheers

Offline Atheling

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #76 on: May 04, 2020, 12:54:22 PM »
I've waited so long for such a range that I am starting to collect Franks, Goths Vandals, Moors and Sassanids!!

It's a dream come true for me  :D

Offline Aventine

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #77 on: May 04, 2020, 01:54:54 PM »
The aim is to make figures that cover the first 2  Byzantines lists in the LADG book, Adam is finishing some more commands and then he will have the unarmoured infantry done. He continues to work away at the range so things have not been slowed by CV19.

Cheers
Keith

Offline Atheling

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #78 on: May 04, 2020, 03:16:07 PM »
The aim is to make figures that cover the first 2  Byzantines lists in the LADG book, Adam is finishing some more commands and then he will have the unarmoured infantry done. He continues to work away at the range so things have not been slowed by CV19.

Oh dear, not my style of rules really so I only have a vague idea of what would be included in the LADG lists.

Keith, you were right about the Heavy Infantry, they do take some painting due to the supreme level of detail. No bad thing :)

Offline chema1986

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #79 on: May 05, 2020, 09:55:04 AM »
The aim is to make figures that cover the first 2  Byzantines lists in the LADG book, Adam is finishing some more commands and then he will have the unarmoured infantry done. He continues to work away at the range so things have not been slowed by CV19.

Cheers
Keith

Thanks! I did not know that system, can you provide that list or something similar to give as an idea of what is to come ?

Thanks again :D

Offline Aventine

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #80 on: May 05, 2020, 12:48:19 PM »
Boukelellaroi
Kavallaroi
Gepids,Herculs/Goths
Scouts light cavalry bow
Huns
Moors
Skoutatoi
Bowmen
Light infantry javelins
Light infantry sling

Cheers
Keith
« Last Edit: May 05, 2020, 05:40:08 PM by Aventine »

Offline pallard

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #81 on: May 05, 2020, 02:49:50 PM »
Hi
Scots light horse archers? Well, I didn't know that the picts of Alban would travel that far in such numbers!
I'm waiting for the medium infantry too. And curious about how you see them. Two possibilities for me, either you go WRG and Ian Heath ways with that old leather moulded torso thing with pteruges, or you use subarmae vests with or without pteruges, more like later aketons, shown in art from early Empire period . I'd rather go for the latter, although the former would blend better in my existing phalanx maybe. A mix of the two would be most welcome.
The question of super heavies before Taginae is complex. The source of the figures looks like the Strategikon and Agathias, through the Montvert Publication Justinian's Wars. Unfortunately there is no contemporary illustrations of these " mail zaba" long suits.
However, we know that for centuries, the Antesignani, petty officers and file-leaders, could be grouped to form first line extra-armoured shock troops. What they would look like in units such as my Quintani ( ex legio Quinta Macedonica in Egypt) is left for anyone's guess... I'll use the Aventiniani, they are so tempting!
Philippe

Offline pallard

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #82 on: May 05, 2020, 03:01:11 PM »
Some useful illustrations are to be found in this book:

Romano-Byzantine infantry equipment
I.P.Stephenson
The History Press - 2006/2011
There is a colour plate of a Justinian medium spearman in Italy with off-white emboidered subarma, spangelhelm, large trousers, francisca and large shield!
This book is pure scolarship with nothing to do with WRG or wargaming traditional representations, like you see in so many mainstream books nowadays (artists find their sources where they can when not militaria specialists), as well as on the internet. Purely from the sources! Very refreshing and accurate.
Philippe

Offline Atheling

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2020, 04:20:57 PM »
Boukelellaroi
Kavallaroi
Gepids,Herculs/Goths
Scots light cavalry bow
Huns
Moors
Skoutatoi
Bowmen
Light infantry javelins
Light infantry sling

Cheers
Keith

Well, that has certainly got my juices flowing again!  8)

Boukelellaroi
Kavallaroi

It would be a great boon to have some dismounted Boukelellaroi and perhaps Kavallaroi though the latter may be covered already depending on how the armoured Kavallaroi are modelled(?)

Keep up the stirling work Keith  8)

Offline Atheling

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2020, 08:08:07 PM »
Hi
Scots light horse archers? Well, I didn't know that the picts of Alban would travel that far in such numbers!

I'm guessing that should be read as Socii? (Franks)

Offline Aventine

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2020, 10:25:08 PM »
That was a typo it has been fixed, Scouts LC Bow.

LOL
Keith

Offline Atheling

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2020, 10:53:09 PM »
That was a typo it has been fixed, Scouts LC Bow.

LOL
Keith

Worth a try  lol

Offline Aventine

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #87 on: May 08, 2020, 04:51:49 PM »
Latest additions to the range now ready, unarmoured spearmen.







Next some eastern infantry and more command figures.

Cheers
Keith

Offline Atheling

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #88 on: May 08, 2020, 05:25:42 PM »
These are stunning Keith!!  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Order incoming very, very soon!

I'm still stunned at the level of detail that you guys have managed to get into the extra heavy infantry and the lighter armoured infantry! Not to mention all the extras that came with the Steppe Nobles and Horse Archers!

And yes, they are still on my painting desk!  8)

EDIT: Can't wait to see the Eastern Infantry!!  ;D
« Last Edit: May 08, 2020, 06:04:23 PM by Atheling »

Offline Burnin Coal

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Re: Aventine Miniatures Early Byzantines!
« Reply #89 on: May 08, 2020, 07:36:59 PM »
 :-* very nice sculpts...those nice smooth lines mean they should be a joy to paint...lovely work !
Figures painted 2020 : 100

 

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