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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 10:25:58 AM »
Thanks a lot Cuprum, this helps a lot.

I'd like to use abreviations for the ranks
Would it work if I use
Por  : Poruchik
Kpt :  Kapitan

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2020, 01:06:48 PM »
I think you can do as you please.
I do not know the abbreviations that designate military ranks in the tsarist army. But I can offer such abbreviations for the Soviet and Russian army, but these names are somewhat different.

ryad. - ryadovoj
efr. - efrejtor
ml. s-t (ml. s-nt) - mladshij serzhant
s-t (s-nt) - serzhant
st. s-t (st. s-nt) - starshij serzhant
s-na - starshina
pr-k - praporshhik
st. pr-k - starshij praporshhik
ml. l-t - mladshij lejtenant
l-t - lejtenant
st. l-t - starshij lejtenant
k-n - kapitan
m-r - major
p/p-k - podpolkovnik
p-k - polkovnik

Second Lieutenant, by analogy with the above abbreviations will be something like:

por-k - poruchik

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2020, 04:33:01 PM »
thanks a lot Cuprum

I believed that lejtenant was not a rank in the Imperial Russian Army except in the navy.
Am I wrong?

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 05:11:41 PM »
Yes, until 1917, military ranks were very different from the modern system. The proper names of military ranks were in the infantry, cavalry, among the Cossacks, among military officials, and there were also differences in the ranks of non-commissioned officers of artillery.

Generals:
- general-fel'dmarshal
- general ot "infanterіi", "kavalerіi"с, etc. (the so-called "full general")
- general-lejtenant
- general-major

Headquarters officers:
- polkovnik
- podpolkovnik (vojskovoj starshina k) -
- major (vojskovoj starshina k)

Chief officers:
- kapitan (rotmistr с, esaul k)
- shtabs-kapitan (shtabs-rotmistr , podesaul k)
- poruchik (sotnik k)
- podporuchik (kornet c, khorunzhіj k)
- praporshhik

Lower ranks:
- zauryad-praporshhik
- podpraporshhik
- fel'dfebel (vakhmistr c)
- starshij unter-ofitser (starshij fejerverker a, starshij uryadnik k)
- mladshij unter-ofitser (mladshij fejerverker a, mladshij uryadnik k)
- efrejtor (bombardir a, prikaznyj k)
-ryadovoj (kanonir a, kazak k)

Ranks differing from infantry and combined arms are marked with thick letters:
a - artillery
c - cavalry
k - Cossack troops
« Last Edit: January 25, 2020, 05:14:25 PM by cuprum »

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2020, 07:55:58 PM »
Thanks a lot Cuprum

Have you heard of the mutiny of russian soldiers in France in 1917?
This mutiny resulted in a 3 days battle "loyal" russian troops fighting "rebel" troops.
I have a long article for you if you want to know more.

Pascal

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2020, 03:28:38 AM »
Thank you Pascal. I am well acquainted with this story.

My main interest is the uniform of the Civil War in Russia (red, white, nationalists, interventionists). If you have information on this topic, I will be glad.

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2020, 10:37:53 AM »
Cuprum, I'm not in the RCW for now.
 I first want to study the WW1 Eastern Front and after that I'll open my RCW and back of beyond books.

Thanks a lot for your help, I might come back with more questions.
In the meantime I'm still readding all the messages on this forum.
Have a nice day.
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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2020, 02:19:56 AM »
Always happy to help.
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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2020, 05:09:35 PM »
Cuprum

according to Wikipedia which sources are this book: В. И. Шунков. Боевое и служебное оружие России. М., ЭКСМО, 2012. стр.7

the Russian Empire received 6100 Chauchat (Light MG) from France.
Would you have an idea of when these weapons were received?

I know that the lewis were received in 1917.

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2020, 03:17:58 PM »
The first batch of these machine guns (500 pieces) arrived in Russia at the end of 1916.

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2020, 07:54:57 PM »
thanks a lot Cuprum.

I will be inserting the RUSSO-BALT and GARDFORD-PUTILOV vehicles in my games.

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2020, 10:22:58 AM »
Priwét Cuprum

a russian player proposed an alternativ to: Many soldiers of the rifle unit - Strelki
Many soldiers of the rifle unit - Pehota

What do you think?

Another subject:
is there any book or online source on the actions that saw " the first organic company of Russian Automobile Corps composed
of 15 Russian-Balt armored cars armed with machine guns and 3 Gardford-Putilov armored trucks equipped 76.2 mm cannon." (source is Russian and Soviet tanks 1914-41 by Maximino Argüelles Martínez.)

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2020, 02:07:06 PM »
Hi.
I didn’t understand your question exactly
Arrows and infantry will not be much different on the battlefield.

There are a lot of books. But what I know is published in Russian.

The 1st automobile machine-gun company (1914) was armed with:
8 machine gun armored vehicles "Russo-Balt"
1 cannon armored car "Mannesman" (based on a German truck)
2 unarmored artillery gun trucks
19 cars
8 trucks
18 motorcycles
15 officers
150 lower ranks

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2020, 02:59:24 PM »
Cuprum
my question is: is it more accurate to use Strelki or pehota as a translation for "Many soldiers of the rifle unit" ?

ok I'll try my chance online concerning the vehicle actions.

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Re: WW1 Russian Infantry Battalion Organisation
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2020, 01:09:18 AM »
In the Russian army, by 1914, the pehota (infantry) and Strelki (rifle units) had no real differences other than the name. Tribute to tradition.
The Strelki are the heirs of Jaegers and other light infantry. The pehota units are the heirs of the ordinary line infantry.