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Author Topic: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague  (Read 7165 times)

Offline Maniac

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I posted up a brief fig comparison previously, but have since finished up a decent chunk of the figures in my lead pile.

I’ve been interested in the crusades for over 20+ years now and more recently (within the last 3-4 years) expanded out a little beyond the well known ones in the middle east and been reading a little about some of the less popularized ones that happened in Europe itself (such as the Albigensian or Baltic Crusades).  The Baltic Crusades, in particular, are very interesting as the situation was not wholly dissimilar to the Middle East.  You had small Christian territories, surrounded by ‘pagan’ peoples with a nearby semi hostile Christian power in the Orthodox Church.  However, unlike Outremer, these were essentially successful.  From Prussia through to Estonia lands were effectively conquered and converted.  The military orders, too, were more successful (the Teutonic Knights for 200 years were largely successful until 1410’s debacle, but even then, they could be seen as successful as the opponents were all converted by this time).

Fall of 2019 saw a perfect chance to pick up some figs to model this interesting, politically complex, and dynamic landscape in the form of the Baron’s War Kickstarter.  I picked up a bevy of foot knights and troopers to add to various plastic and metal kits and got to painting work in February.  Thanks to the virus causing widespread lockdown, I’ve managed a relatively decent clip building, converting, and painting a sizable force of models.

I chose earlier in the time period, circa 1220-1300ish as the arms and armor is more appealing, and the frontier was less defined.  As most of the warfare took place in late fall to early spring, I’ve elected to base the figs with a feeling of early snows in autumn enabling a raid prior to full snow pack.  To assist with ideas for painting I picked up the Codex Manesse and a copy of the Zurich Wappenrolle to look up arms for various German and Swiss towns or individuals.  This added a lot of character and gave me a good excuse to convert some figs to capture the German penchant for flashy head gear on some of the figures. 

First up some of the mounted cavalry:


Left to Right: Fireforge, Conquest, Fireforge, Conquest, Baron’s War, Gripping Beast x4

The Conquest figs and the Fireforge are, in my opinion, the way to go for cavalry.  Baron’s War figs are ludicrously expensive in this area, and the two plastic sets offers so much more in terms of variation.  Gripping Beast is really showing its age as a range, the sculpts are chunky and generally have a lot of flash/miscast issues.


Left to Right: Fireforge, Fireforge

Here I did an overall commander and a banner bearer, with corresponding foot models to be used in games where their mounts can be ‘killed’.  This also marked a first for me in using thin brass sheets to make my flags.  I found it very fiddly when trying to mate the strips that went around the haft of the pole.  It made for some nice, sturdy flags, but was a real pain to work with.

It wouldn’t be a crusade force without a bevy of foot knights, plus they look so good when painted up.  It is perhaps less well known that the crusaders learned to use foot knights to bolster the ranks of their infantry.  In the first crusade many knights lost their horses and fought on foot and this would be adopted as a normal form of war in the middle east.  In Northern Europe, the heavy snows, woods, and difficult terrain would have suited this as well, and I’ve included such models in my force.


Left to Right: Baron’s War, Baron’s War (modified with Victrix bits), Baron’s War, Baron’s War (modified with a green stuff cloak and modified Crusader helmet), Crusader (modified), Crusader (modified with Fireforge hammer and helmet), Baron’s War, Baron’s War


Left to Right: Baron’s War, Baron’s War, Crusader (modified), Baron’s War (modified), Crusader, Crusader (modified), Baron’s War, Baron’s War

Overall, I’m extremely happy with how they turned out.  The helmet modifications give the group a nice Germanic feel, and every knight utilizes a known coat of arms.  It’s a lot of fun (to quote Lawrence of Arabia, “It is recognized that you have a funny sense of fun.”) to do a little research and come up with some heraldry that you can translate.  I did this with my Norman milites and foot, and enjoyed extrapolating simplified versions for an earlier period, while this was perfect for delving into items that would give the force diversity of color while still maintaining a proper feel. (not all of the families were active at this time, but their family does cross as least some portion of the 1200s-1400s that the crusades occurred in).

Then to go with my knights I have some lowly foot soldiers.  The first unit is painted up in the colors of the Bishop of Riga (to go with the good Bishop).  Directly displaying his heraldry would have been outlawed but maintaining his colors would have done a lot to let you know in who’s authority they speak/fight.



Next is a motley group of spearmen, including a couple in the livery of some of the foot knights.  The models for both units are all Baron’s War and sport a mix of spears and the pole arms from Footsore.  Let me say I am unimpressed with said polearms.  They are not very well done.  They have far too many injection points and are very flimsy.  Even with careful handling I can already see where at least two of them are going to break (and one did require it to have a new haft grafted on).  I think Footsore would have been much better off casting the heads separate and giving them a socket to attach to their wire spears.  I ultimately did this for a couple of the models in the second unit out the gate.  A shame, as the models themselves are lovely (just don’t buy the polearms unless you plan on modifying them yourself).



Here I have a unit of archers, drafted from the local converts to Christianity.  I’ve chosen a simple, basic scheme that still tries to maintain unit coherency.  Inspiration can come in many forms, and these were inspired by another painter’s Slavic levy, which was all in white/off-white kit.  The Teutonic order regularly marched into battle with native support and putting these in as archers/woodsmen seemed to fit with a more ideal sense of the heavies being Europeans.  All of the minis are from Footsore, out of their Viking range.  The look and feel lined up well for a ‘poor’, somewhat lower tech local population.



Lastly is a unit of crossbowmen, again done in very simple colors, intended to be members of the Teutonic Order.  Crossbows were an extremely popular weapon for the Christian forces, and at various times their sale to the pagans was banned.  They gave a tactical advantage in the dense terrain and raiding warfare that was hard to pass up.  Good punch and easy to use gives the potential for a tactical battlefield changer.



These are all crusader miniatures and look to be a little ‘older’ than the rest of their late crusade range.  They do the job very well, but some are a little chunky (much more so than the knights).  Less flash and miscasting then Gripping Beast, and they do the job very well.  Not a bad pickup at $13 (purchased when the exchange rates were low).

The army has been based so that it can be used for Saga or Fistful of Lead.  I still have a unit of Teutonic Knights, a third mounted group of knights, and another body of foot spearmen to add to the mix.  That will have to come with time though as work is starting to gear back up.  Not bad for a fun, characterful force painted during down time due to the plague. 

A closing shot of the entire force so far.

On time, on target, or the next one's free

Offline SJWi

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2020, 05:44:51 AM »
Very nice.  I too have a Northern Crusades army, but composed of Gripping Beast and some 1st Corps.  I must have bought my Gripping Beast when the moulds were new, and in any event no plastics were available . I think your crossbowmen may actually be Gripping Beast not Crusader.

I want to build a Muscovite army to go against them a la Lake Peipus, but can't decide on figures. The Gripping Beast are IMHO one of their less impressive ranges, and I'm not exactly sold on the Fireforge stuff.

Anyone have any other bright ideas?   

Offline fred

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2020, 08:20:27 AM »
Great stuff.  Very impressive force to have put together in the time.

I like the colour and detail you have gone into on the knights - great to have found and used the actual heraldry.

Offline Tonhel

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2020, 12:57:53 PM »
An impressive group! Great work!

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2020, 07:25:26 PM »
Great posting ..i;m finally painting up my Teutonic knights and allies .plus Lithuanian light cav.I bought all these figures in 2005 at Historicon...better late than never...a mix of Mirliton SG ,Gripping beast and Old Glory .Lots of fun to paint...still need more infantry (cross bows and such and Russians...god thing I;m retired.Love you paint jobs ..something to aspire to..

Offline Atheling

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2020, 07:51:33 PM »
Good stuff and a great use for the Footsore Baron's War mini's  8)

Offline Maniac

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2020, 03:09:18 PM »
Thank you for the kind comments.

@juergen I also have some Mirliton figs I am working on as Teutonic Knights.  Mine aren't quite that old, but getting close.  I'd like to look at some of their civilians at some point.  They look like a nice range of models.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 07:25:03 PM by Maniac »

Offline scatterbrains

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2020, 03:52:24 PM »
That is a very pretty army! Also how in hell did you get everything in focus?  :o

Offline Maniac

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2020, 09:58:59 PM »
That is a very pretty army! Also how in hell did you get everything in focus?  :o

Thanks!  It is quite possibly the one thing I like about the iPhone, the camera.

Here are my 4 Teutonic Knights to join the rest of the army. 



Oh, and small correction, the Crossbowmen are indeed Gripping Beast.  I mixed up the boxes at some point and for some reason thought they were Crusader

Left to right:  Mirliton, Mirliton, converted Gripping Beast body with Fireforge Head, on a converted Conquest Games horse, Mirliton
« Last Edit: June 26, 2020, 10:03:21 PM by Maniac »

Offline Ragnar

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2020, 10:22:39 PM »
Nice work, I love the colourfulness of this force.

For a few years, I have wanted to do pretty much the same thing... but without your knowledge on the subject.  I'll be watching this thread for inspiration and information.
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Offline Maniac

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2020, 04:32:16 PM »
I've come back to this again with another unit of four knights.  These are all Crusader Teutonic minis, and will be painted up as secular German knights.  I think I said it above, but the actual Crusader knight/human figures are quite good.  They look the business, are not overly chunky and not overly spindly.  The only gripe is that the modular helmets are all too similar.  I had to buy the banner bearer to add some variety and get the fourth horse (frankly three with horns that are extremely similar is a bit much).

The horses are okay, but have a few flaws.  First, the saddles are not well designed to go with cloaked figures.  The rear pommel/horn has to be cut down for every knight or they will not fit.  Also, being metal, they have the standard flaw of of a chunky caprison.  This is not a flaw on Crusader's part, but merely a comment on the flaw in metal horses.  In this regard, plastic horses are definitely superior.  At any rate, wip of the knights:



Then my scratch pad for heraldry.  Like I mentioned above, I cobbled this together from multiple sources, and formed my 'bible' for knightly color schemes.  For this upcoming batch, I will be using; Whitmar (f. Bremen), Heidelberg (the black/white horned one), Flotow (f. Mecklenburg, 1247-1471), and Bydelsbach (f. Wurttemburg, 1368-1458).  So not all from the exact period, but close and certainly families alive during the main period (1200-1410).


Offline Inkpaduta

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2020, 06:07:03 PM »
Very nice. I too really enjoy the Baltic Crusades. I wish there were more figures dealing with the native forces
such as Estonians, Livs and Prussian. Yes I know people will say "just use these" but I would some dedicated
figures for the period.

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2020, 03:41:51 AM »
Great stuff!

Offline Atheling

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2020, 09:31:24 AM »
Very impressive stuff  8) 8) 8)

I love delving deep into heraldry and it looks very much like you do too  8)

Offline Maniac

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Re: Northern Crusades: Some of what I did during the great 2020 plague
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2020, 04:30:03 AM »
Thank you for the kind words.  A WIP of the four so far:



Still some detail work, clean up, and basing.  However they are coming along.

 

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