Otto von Bismarck - uniform colour?!

[Fjodin]

I want to paint one of my 15mm Irregular Prussian Infantry Officer as Otto von Bismarck! I just like to know EXACT colour of his uniform. I found this 2 pic of him wearing different uniforms:





And does somebody know where to find 15mm Great Dane dog? (I own GREATLY sculped Irregular Miniatures Labrador dog, but it does not look like Bismarck dog (Actually its Sir Harry dog))?

[Dr. The Viking]

Hmm I can't help you there, but I would also like to know where a great dane in 28mm could be found?

Instead of making a new topic I might as well ask here.

[Argonor]

Is 'Buster' a Great Dane?

http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/range.php?range_id=27&subcat_id=63

[aircav]

Hmm I can't help you there, but I would also like to know where a great dane in 28mm could be found?

Instead of making a new topic I might as well ask here.

Scarab do Moritz in the Red Baron set, pictured here with a copplestone officer:



Keith

[Dr. The Viking]

Is 'Buster' a Great Dane?

http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/range.php?range_id=27&subcat_id=63

Yuck those HF beasts are excessively expensive! But nice though.

Sorry about the thread-jack >Fjodin.

I'm actually thinking that at 15mm scale you might go with ancient German or Celtic dogs? I don't think they will be that different?

[former user]

here my approach:

the first one is the iconic propaganda painting of the founding of the German Empire.
As to my knowledge, (apart from the freedom given to generals in uniform), white was only worn by the "garde du corps" cuirassier regiments (seen at the left). In the context of the painting, it is used at the same time to underline his loyalty to the emperor (notice the cuirassier boots an old man surely would not have worn) and to visually single him out among all others. Notice the emperor and his son, who although singled out by their position, in terms of contrast and colour melt into the others. Also notice that among the ones who are below the emperor, Bismarck is the only one who does not hail or look at the emperor.
Also his head is in the exact point of the vertical and horizontal golden ratio.

The second one is from a movie and sports the regular blue of the prussian army.

I personally would go with the latter if You want to be realistic.

[argsilverson]

here my approach:

the first one is the iconic propaganda painting of the founding of the German Empire.
As to my knowledge, (apart from the freedom given to generals in uniform), white was only worn by the "garde du corps" cuirassier regiments (seen at the left). In the context of the painting, it is used at the same time to underline his loyalty to the emperor (notice the cuirassier boots an old man surely would not have worn) and to visually single him out among all others. Notice the emperor and his son, who although singled out by their position, in terms of contrast and colour melt into the others. Also notice that among the ones who are below the emperor, Bismarck is the only one who does not hail or look at the emperor.
Also his head is in the exact point of the vertical and horizontal golden ratio.

The second one is from a movie and sports the regular blue of the prussian army.

I personally would go with the latter if You want to be realistic.

former user has stated very clearly the matter, so, I can only second this  opinion.
I remember that usually Bismarck is depicted in a dark coloured uniform, so prussian army blue is a must. and I cannot fancy him in cuirassier uniform.

[elThyge]

There are some pictures here at the german wikipedia:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

They describe his uniform as Kürassier. In the last link they state the uniform colour as both white and dark blue.

After 1880 Bismarck often wore his uniform in public - even in parliament.

[former user]

here is Bismarck portrayed in the "Sedan Panorama", another propagandistic Oeuvre most certainly the majority of germans of the time have seen

where he receives the surrender of Napoleon III - this is not a photograph!

and again an impression of the same event


and again negotiating the french surrender, horizontal center, vertical golden ratio, sitting at the table in front of Moltke standing

[former user]

After 1880 Bismarck often wore his uniform in public - even in parliament.

if I may be more precise:
it says he occasionally wore the Cuirassier Uniform, after his honorific promotion 1880.
Bismarck served as "Jäger"

we have to keep in mind that many paintings show events retrospectively - the victors tell the history...

[Chairface]

I would guess that Dark Prussian blue from Vallejo would suffice

[elThyge]

if I may be more precise:
it says he occasionally wore the Cuirassier Uniform, after his honorific promotion 1880.
Bismarck served as "Jäger"

we have to keep in mind that many paintings show events retrospectively - the victors tell the history...

Yep, was a little hasty.

[Plynkes]

The picture in the original post of the founding of Imperial Germany ought to have the title "There Goes the Neighbourhood." 


(I'm sorry, I'm only joking, my dear German pals. Please don't be angry.)

[former user]

we are not angry
the neighbourhood actually went when Bismarck was made chancellor and Wilhelm I did not abdicate in favour of his son, Frederick III - one might argue....

[Fjodin]

Thanx! I think I'll paint him in exactrly like here:




Maybe if he would visit the real battle, he wear different uniform, but in real lifer he was never in battle, so its only VSF. For example some wargamers use Queen Victoria in their battles.