17th/21st Lancers anywhere?

[H.M.Stanley]

That's what I am going to use/do when I get around to it. Lovely, lovely poses. I wish there was a suitable crashing horse and rider to use as a suppression marker.



Just look at that nag turning its head to accommodate the lancers thrust...

Personally, i'd just file the stripes off the pants and paint them khaki. Keep the blue jacket [they'd pass, if you squint a bit, for 1st Sudan/2nd Afghan]

As you can see, i'm a purist

[Plynkes]

Just look at that nag turning its head to accommodate the lancers thrust...

Oddly enough that's the one Empress horse pose that I don't really like. I bought some of their Boers for my Somaliland project and one of them came with that horse.  Works with that lancer, but not so much with my Boer. Just not feeling it for some reason.

[Plynkes]

To use the Empress figures as 21st Lancers in 1890s Sudan is possible, but with heavy conversion.

That's what I am going to use/do when I get around to it.

By the way, did I read you right that you're going to get into 1890s Sudan, H?

[Hammers]

By the way, did I read you right that you're going to get into 1890s Sudan, H?

As tempting as it is I need another project like I need another hole in my head. No, that would be for conversion, as per what is suggested. Indian Army lancers, like. I have the Brigade Bengal lancers but the action poses of the Empress ones are too wonderful to let pass. Goes for this one to...



...which cold be converted or replaced by a pony-wallah.  

[Hammers]

While on this thread, what needs to be done to convert these, generically, to later lancers?

The wide chalked cross strap could be modified to a Sam Brown belt and leather ammo pouches, which is all right for the Indian Army in the 1920s
The double breasted tunic needs to be changed to a single centre row buttoned one or a collar less tunic (tricky)
Stripes need to go (easy)
Boots changed to puttees. (medium)
The head/pith helmet (easy)

[Plynkes]

Ammo Bandoleer round the horse's neck (optional, depending on when and where).
Fly veil (optional).
Cummerbund.
Chainmail epaulettes.


That's if we're talking Hammer's Indians. Brits had a different jacket and no cummerbund. Once you get up to WWI I think you're better off looking at dedicated ranges for that conflict, as much less (or in some cases no) converting would be required. But if you really want the Empress poses, well, you gotta do what you gotta do... 

[Hammers]

Chainmail epaulettes.

I noticed. To think that they stuck around as late as that...

Wasn't the cumberbund dispensed with in the field during WWI? I have an image in my head telling me that...

[Plynkes]

Osprey has cummerbunds and chainmail epaulettes on a Mysore lancer in Palestine in 1918. The nod to practicality is that it is a khaki cummerbund, unlike the the rather fetching pink one his colleague from the Jodhpur Lancers is sporting.


The plates have them absent for Indian cavalry on the Western Front, though.

[Plynkes]

Rather than relying on plates, have a gander at these, see what you reckon.





Inconclusive on the cummerbund front (though that one chap on the right in the second photo looks like he's wearing a coloured one, can't be sure). Can't see any metal epaulettes, though.


I don't think the plate of the chap with the pink cummerbund represents a fellow in action, though it might. Reckon the other one does, though the chaps in the photos look a bit less flash.

[argsilverson]

Sorry I was very much tempted:
A girl in Lancer (17th) uniform:
http://www.soldiersofthequeen.com/page16c-Girlin17thLancersUniform.html

Sorry back to topic:
can these brigade games yeomanry cavalry be of any use?
http://www.brigadegames.com/British-Yeomanry-Cavalry-3_p_612.html

[carlos marighela]

If you want Indian lancers, wouldn't it just be easier to start with the wonderful little Castaway Arts versions?

[argsilverson]

As I understand some of the problem for the lancers is their tunic and the requested is the plastron type.

Just now I saw in the other forum (GWP) that reiver casting has a whole new range of figures for release at Salute.
Among them:
Yeomanry Cavalry in plastron tunics (lancer type uniform) and SD caps
Yeomanry Cavalry with SD patrol collar (standing collar) and SD caps
As with all our cavalry they come in either lance armed or rifle/sword armed packs and a seperate command.

the whole range etc is here:
http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=7480
hope this might help some of the problems.

[Hammers]

As I understand some of the problem for the lancers is their tunic and the requested is the plastron type.

Just now I saw in the other forum (GWP) that reiver casting has a whole new range of figures for release at Salute.
Among them:
Yeomanry Cavalry in plastron tunics (lancer type uniform) and SD caps
Yeomanry Cavalry with SD patrol collar (standing collar) and SD caps
As with all our cavalry they come in either lance armed or rifle/sword armed packs and a seperate command.

the whole range etc is here:
http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=7480
hope this might help some of the problems.

I have told my self I should try to be nicer about things but I have to say that while these may have the ambition to portray a 1920s style cavalry the below average level of sculpting/casting makes it difficult to make any statement of which uniform tunic they are wearing.

[H.M.Stanley]

Apologies for taking this slightly OT ... but i might stick to my original plan of getting the Perry 19th Hussars* for the Sudan (i'll also use for NWF) and then get some of North Stars dismounted Hussars

They also do them charging with improvised lances 

[Hobbit]

H.M. - sorry, I realised that my comment may have come across as a little "rivet counter (button counter??)-ish", no offence intended.

I didn't know about the 4th Dragoons until very recently I found a passing mention in an official account - I didn't think any British cavalry had been anywhere near the frontier in the 1890s. I'm actually a big fan of the Indian cavalry and think they deserve lots of credit for the work they did.