Captain Blood's Perry Mounted Men at Arms. P.156 Scots pike block painted

[Atheling]

Fantastic stuff!

I find Braveheart's historical manglings and dreadful costuming too painful for a rewatch, but I seem to dimly recall Mel Gibson wielding a teetering-on-the-edge-of-anachronism warhammer in one scene.

I try not to ever conjure up images of that film 

[Ray Rivers]

I find Braveheart's historical manglings and dreadful costuming too painful for a rewatch, but I seem to dimly recall Mel Gibson wielding a teetering-on-the-edge-of-anachronism warhammer in one scene.

You're right!

[Griefbringer]

(I draw the line at severed limbs lying around)

"It is just a flesh wound!"

More seriously, I have started putting together some similar casualty markers (for use in other games), though lacking confidence in my conversion skills I have so far resorted to the metal casualty pack that the Perrys produce, plus the couple of wounded guys (very melancholic looking) that come with one of their metal carts. I intend to supplement these with a similar number of bases that do not have casualties on them, but only miscellanous abandoned equipment from the bits box (pavises, bucklers, barrels, arrow bags, helmets, broken pikes, axes, hammers, scabbards, polearms, crossbows etc.) that have been abandoned for some reason or another by their owners.

That said, the metal casualty pack only contains one man-at-arms lying down (I have snatched the walking wounded guy with escort to use as rear rank filler in actual unit), and I have some spare men-at-arms still at sprues (that Foot Knights boxis rather plentiful), so I might eventually try a few such conversions next year. Going to wait and see first how your figures look when actually painted up.

On another note, anybody familiar with horse casualties that would look good with these Perry figures?

[Charlie_]

On another note, anybody familiar with horse casualties that would look good with these Perry figures?

i wish! I'd love it if the Perrys released a couple more WOTR casualty packs, including horses.... but that's not gonna happen, and there would arguably be more important gaps in the range to fill if they ever did return to it.
You could make some from the plastic horses with a bit of cutting and bending, but to do a proper job you'd also have to make some stirrups for them too....

Wargames Foundry have a set of horse casualties, I'm not sure what period they are accurate for though, and I reckon they'd be much too small. I'd be interested in seeing them alongside Perry WOTR figures though, if anyone has them?

[Atheling]

I made up this one by just altering the horses legs by cutting and plugging the gaps with greenstuff at the front and adding a greenstuff saddle and stirrups.

It's actually an eBob horse (the sort that Artizan, Crusader, Gripping Beast,1st Corp and others use) which is very similar to the Perry metal horses so the same could be done with either types. It took a bit of work but I'm happy with the end result.

[Griefbringer]

Wargames Foundry have a set of horse casualties, I'm not sure what period they are accurate for though, and I reckon they'd be much too small. I'd be interested in seeing them alongside Perry WOTR figures though, if anyone has them?

I have seen those, but they look very stiff and unconvincing - and there seems to be just two poses.

Atheling's diorama looks full of action, but I am rather looking for a horse (plus possibly rider) that has already fallen down and stopped kicking around. Something like the Norman cavalry casualty from the Conquest Games Norman cavalry set, that figure seems like something that I would be interested in - the horse seems very natural and convincing (at least in the pictures), even though it is apparently a single piece plastic model. Unfortunately the rider would look a bit old-fashioned in 15th century western Europe.

As for converting the plastic Perry horses, I guess it would be feasible to do one that is about to fall down and has thrown away the rider, but doing an actually fallen horse with a bit of cutting sounds beyond my skills. As is sculpting one from scratch - though thanks to the Perrys I have lots of spare horse heads that could be used as a basis.

Of course it could be possible to suggest the topic of horse casualties to some manufacturer (e.g. Steel Fist, who tend to be close match for Perrys), but the commercial demand might just not be out there; at the moment I don't really see myself as being likely to purchase more than six such casualties (and that is on assumption that there would be 2 or 3 different poses).

[Ray Rivers]

Ugh!

I could never do horse casualties. My wife and I are enormous animal lovers. Even if it is just a miniature, the thought of looking at a dead horse on the table... never happen.

Having said that... there are plenty who do. Just DuckDuckGo it.

[Captain Blood]

I think it would be pretty easy to turn one of the Perry plastic medieval horses into a fallen steed. I might have a crack at that (sorry Ray!) Guess it would make more sense for use as a ‘daunted’ marker for cavalry units

[Atheling]

I have seen those, but they look very stiff and unconvincing - and there seems to be just two poses.

Atheling's diorama looks full of action, but I am rather looking for a horse (plus possibly rider) that has already fallen down and stopped kicking around.

Griefbringer, Crusader do one in a set in their Norman range below but it has 11th C tack.....
Available here:
https://www.crusaderminiatures.com/prod.php?prod=148

[Charlie_]

I have seen those, but they look very stiff and unconvincing - and there seems to be just two poses.

Atheling's diorama looks full of action, but I am rather looking for a horse (plus possibly rider) that has already fallen down and stopped kicking around. Something like the Norman cavalry casualty from the Conquest Games Norman cavalry set, that figure seems like something that I would be interested in - the horse seems very natural and convincing (at least in the pictures), even though it is apparently a single piece plastic model. Unfortunately the rider would look a bit old-fashioned in 15th century western Europe.

As for converting the plastic Perry horses, I guess it would be feasible to do one that is about to fall down and has thrown away the rider, but doing an actually fallen horse with a bit of cutting sounds beyond my skills. As is sculpting one from scratch - though thanks to the Perrys I have lots of spare horse heads that could be used as a basis.

Of course it could be possible to suggest the topic of horse casualties to some manufacturer (e.g. Steel Fist, who tend to be close match for Perrys), but the commercial demand might just not be out there; at the moment I don't really see myself as being likely to purchase more than six such casualties (and that is on assumption that there would be 2 or 3 different poses).

Yes, that's exactly what I'd like to see.

The Perry metal WOTR horses could be used though, as you could just bend the legs to get them into a suitable pose - there is one I'm thinking of that comes in the three 'scurrers' sets that would work nicely. But you'd have to sculpt stirrups and the rear part of the saddle yourself, and they are slightly smaller than the plastic horses if that matters.

[Hammers]

Brilliant markers, Richard. It reminds me of that it was suggested for The Build Something Contest that we should do markers for theme. Seeing yours I think it would be more suitable as a theme round for Lead Painters League.

[Silent Invader]

Nice conversion work Richard.   

Regarding horse casualties, back in 2012 Admiral Benbow did some cracking work on converting  the Perry plastic horses, including to create casualties.

There’s a WIP thread here....

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=41974.0

.... but IIRC he also made a diorama of a falling horse with a WotR lancer becoming unseated, but I can’t seem to find it.

Edit:

From AB’s Gallery from 2012



Which actually seems to have been used in a 13thC model in 2018



Though I’m sure I remember a WotR lancer jumping and/or falling

[Hammers]

Having picked up the new 'Never Mind The Billhooks' rules with WI, if I'm going to give them a go (which I am), I'll need some suitable 'daunted' and 'disarrayed' markers - having a peculiar OCD hang-up about NOT having coloured plastic/printed tokens sharing my tabletop with nicely painted figures and terrain.

It has nothing to do  with OCD. It is a question about being raised a decent human being!

[Hammers]

Chap to the lower right seems to have had a particular rough day. To add insult to injury his gear has been nicked.

[Plynkes]

Poor sod. March thirteen thousand miles from Natal to England only to get knocked on the head and lose all your stuff.