Author Topic: i No pasarán ! (Read 20631 times)

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #45 on:** November 08, 2007, 08:57:28 PM »

Quote from: "Lt. Hazel"

nice stuff Chris! I´ll undercoat some Requetes tonight What is this white cross over black ground?

It´s one of the two variants of the St. Andrew´s Cross used by the Nationalists both for aircraft markings and as aerial recognition signs on ground vehicles.

One, which I used on the tankettes and UNL-35, was white on black, whereas the other, seen on my PzI, was black on white. Apparently, there was no fixed system for its use, and I have a photograph at hand which shows both variants in the same unit of captured T-26 tanks.

After painting the white-on-black-variant, I may still repaint the PzI, because I like this one better than the black-on-white. And it provides a great contrast to the National tricolors.

Poliorketes · « **Reply #46 on:** November 08, 2007, 09:09:55 PM »

I would keep the current sheme on the PzI, I think it works better with the dark vehicle colour

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #47 on:** November 08, 2007, 09:17:24 PM »

Quote from: "Poliorketes"

I would keep the current sheme on the PzI, I think it works better with the dark vehicle colour

That´s the point in favour of the black-on-white. Decisions, decisions! :mrgreen:

WillieB · « **Reply #48 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:41:40 PM »

Perhaps a bit off topic but I just wanted to mention that next years' theme for Crisis will be the Spanish Civil War.

The free give away figure in all probabilty Rodolphe De Hemricourt de Grunne in flying kit. Belgian pilot who fought in the SWC, later in the Belgian Air Force and finally in the Royal Air Force.

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #49 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:44:33 PM »

Awesome!

I hope to get an SCW game up and running which I can feature on the Triumph&Tragedy booth...

winterborn · « **Reply #50 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:27:32 PM »

Does anyone make condor legion, or would early WWII germans do fine?

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #51 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:53:58 PM »

Anglian have a set of Condor Legion Advisors. From what I know, they wore primarily Spanish-style uniforms in brown colours (breeches lighter than the tunic) or, for technical personnel, blue. Note that the Condor Legion did not crew tanks, and included infantry predominantly to protect artillery and AA batteries, so in a historical setting, one might have to limit CL troops to those tasks.

Plynkes · « **Reply #52 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:58:23 PM »

Didn't crew tanks?

I don't have the Osprey about the Condor Legion but on the cover is a Mark One with some chap leaning out of the hatch who I presumed was a German (why else would he be on the cover of the book?).

Have Osprey got it wrong again?

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #53 on:** November 13, 2007, 10:02:51 PM »

Quote from: "Plynkes"

Didn't crew tanks?

I don't have the Osprey about the Condor Legion but on the cover is a Mark One with some chap leaning out of the hatch who I presumed was a German (why else would he be on the cover of the book?).

Have Osprey got it wrong again?

From what I know, just as the Soviets did, the Condor Legion primarily trained Spanish personnel to operate the vehicles. The Foreign Legion was a primary source for candidates since those already had a high level of training and esprit de corps. And the Foreign Legion tankers uniform was a dark grey, from what I know.

Of course, that´s not to say that there were NO CL tankers, just that the custom was to train the Spanish in it.

The really nice toys, though, like aircraft and 88s, they kept to themselves.

Helen · « **Reply #54 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:30:07 AM »

Hi Chris,

Really excellent what you have achieved

I was once a keen collector of the SCW in books and everything else, but I'd to drop a period and this was the period!

Please keep up the excellent work

Best Wishes.

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #55 on:** November 18, 2007, 07:39:46 PM »

Finished the T-26 tank:

Painted for the Republicans (well, "sloganeered" to fit them). Now I have a reason to convert that BAM Pak36 (or, more correctly, convert the crew).

janner · « **Reply #56 on:** November 19, 2007, 09:43:21 AM »

Nice job - the Anglian Miniatures version?

regards,

Westfalia Chris · « **Reply #57 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:23:16 PM »

Yup - my AFVs are either Anglian, Chieftain or Scratch, plus plastic kits for the planes.

PeteMurray · « **Reply #58 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:33:32 PM »

Very nice! Over the weekend I dug out my Praeger/Osprey campaign guide to the Ebro, so this is very apropos.

Nice work, Chris!

Doctor Merkury · « **Reply #59 on:** November 20, 2007, 01:21:30 AM »

Nice models!

"Apparently, there was no fixed system for its use, and I have a photograph at hand which shows both variants in the same unit of captured T-26 tanks."

Not so, the difference is in the period of use, Gruppe Imker (Group Beekeeper) the ground section of the Condor Legion used the St. Andrew's Crosses for arial ID so they wouldn't get strafed/bombed

White Cross on Black bkg was used from 1937 to March 1938, Black cross on white Bkg was used from March 1938 to the end of the war. The marking shift was in part do to the high rate of captured vehicles being employed. Germans did indeed pilot tanks utilizing Spanish gunners in the early portion of the war as well as the training process. Also Germans participated actively in the latter portion of the war with HMG teams operating with the Spaniards.

Some elements of Gruppe Drohne (Group Drone), the Armor portion of Legion Condor

A Panzer 1b with Breda 20mm gun upgrade:

http://www.displacedminiatures.com/Doctor%20Merkury/image.html?galleryId=2018&imageId=20569
A Panzer 1b:

http://www.displacedminiatures.com/Doctor%20Merkury/image.html?galleryId=2018&imageId=22749
And a Befehlswagen:

http://www.displacedminiatures.com/Doctor%20Merkury/image.html?galleryId=2018&imageId=20571
All painted in German Panzer grey with a green disruption pattern and markings denoting 1st Company.

Lots of good info out there, try "Legion Condor", by Roger James Bender for a start.

¡Salud!

Doc

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