The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Belligerentparrot]

Loads of new stuff announced. Not sure on the Escher becoming fake Dark Eldar knock offs though.

I actually quite like that. There has always been something eldar-y about Escher minis. JG put some of his Bratt ideas from Confrontation, which were intentionally eldar-y, into the 95 Escher sculpts.

The new Eschers with bows and whips would make great post-apoc minis with just a little modification. I really like one of the "undead" ones too (face veil), and the female enforcer. Not sold on the other necro stuff, especially the silly Cawdor.

Those new high elf, sorry aelf, archers look ace too.

[Belligerentparrot]

Some pics:

[Ultravanillasmurf]

This may make me appear shallow, but those are rather ugly.

And the two other ones have strange poses, not sure what it is about them, but the poses ring alarm bells.

[Vladimir Raukov]

Not gonna lie, I'm kind of excited about the seraphon temple. The fact it drops on my birthday helps too...even though I have a billion things I could paint already.

[mcfonz]

Get out!!! Get OUT NOW!

As someone who did archery for a fair bit of my youth and coached it for a bit too - this is just shocking. So, so, sooooooooo many issues.
1) Arrow on wrong side of bow.
2) Three strings?
3) How are those strings attached?
4) The limbs of the bow are different lengths.
5) The top limb is three separate pieces of wood, different lengths, stepped...
6) The quiver is a different length to the arrow on the bow. I doubt he'd be able to pull back the length of those arrows on that bow.
7) Where he is holding the strings to is wrong.

How hard is it to get these things right? The first google image that comes up when searching "archery" (for me at least) is this:


Utter basics there in one simple image. This is just shocking.

[Belligerentparrot]

Ha! My first thought was "Those heads are going to look excellent on genestealer hybrid and delaque torsos for an austerely religious hive guild".

Three bow strings is very dumb, but also very warhammer.

[Argonor]

They probably watched a Lars Andersen video and thought 'anything goes'...

[pixelgeek]

Get out!!! Get OUT NOW!

I guess we now have an answer to the question "what is worse than bows with no bowstrings?"

[Dolmot]

...

It's fantasy.

Maximum fantasy, no less.

[Blackwolf]

It looks to me like a mashup of recurve and compound bows,maybe elves shoot bows differently in warhammer world? A bit silly as always,Baneblades et cetera are just as bad,look at the size of the barrels,how many shells could be stored...
Commissar: “why did you retreat?”
Tank commander: “ran out of ammo”
Commissar: “you only fired two shots...”

[AWu]

As silly as it looks

Different lengths of the limbs are perfectly ok, and arrow position is historical too.



Eastern style archery - although elves grip is wrong so it is bad modeled


As to the mini itself and rest of your problems with it..
Well - it is a silly miniature, lets not go there 

[mcfonz]

So it's just a hideous mashup? 

So we have a Samurai bow, with a very strange upper limb, the three bowstrings held in place with metal eyelets and, what are those? Bolts?

Not massively aware of the Eastern style archery. But if that's how they shoot, fair play to them and I concede. Also seems historically odd that in modern times you have folks digging it up when in reality, if it was so successful, it would have been adopted more widely but seems to have been most successful with mounted archers who were going for speed and manoeuvrability over power. Which is fine against unarmoured targets but perhaps a lot less useful against more armoured targets.

In fairness, even the English long bows at Agincourt would have had a hard time penetrating the full plate armour of the French Knights. But power also means range which the Lars Anderson vids proved if anything. Most of his archery was at relatively close range, at which point, it's arguable if you are better off just wacking the enemy with something sharp. Hit and run, yes, which again, suits mounted archers.

I'm not a huge fan of compound bows. For me they always had more in common with a crossbow because of the way they are designed to do the work for you. But then I liked to shoot with nothing but a pin for a sight... All these counter weights, sights, pulleys, fancy ring pulls with triggers etc. If your fingers didn't ache, you didn't strain to loose after an hour...

[Ultravanillasmurf]

I think it is a refugee from a post apocalyptic world where you make bows out of vehicle parts, such as leaf springs.

[YPU]

I am going to say something very silly. It might have looked better if he was also holding 3 arrows. Even more stupid but at that point you just have to accept it.

[Cubs]

I was about to ask a bunch of questions/make a bunch of comments about how fuckwitted it is … and then I remembered that for years now the answer has been "Because GW", so I won't bother.