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Offline Arlequín

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2014, 05:42:28 PM »
'Historian' and 'egocentric' are not mutually exclusive.  lol

Of course research is not easy and indeed when you are not searching in your own language, you are more likely to miss things... but making things up with no evidence to support your idea and not mentioning "I am not sure, but I think..." is inexcusable.

I am in the same position as former user, I will never speak all the languages I need to learn for my interests, so having members from those countries step forwards to do the heavy-lifting on these topics is always pleasing.

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2014, 10:59:06 AM »
i've found this picture yesterday :

compagnie mehariste ( part of the leclerc forces , early 1941 fezzan ) with a 37mm gun

the only one i have found is the scarab one .

added to the list as it seem's that some colonial infantry units were issued old 37mm modele 1916 as anti-tank guns  :o
Dans les situations critiques, quand on parle avec un calibre bien en pogne, personne ne conteste plus. Y'a des statistiques là-dessus.

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2014, 11:42:57 AM »
so the problem is with the crew  :?

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2014, 05:22:30 PM »
37mm mle1916 were only issued to AOF AEF tirailleurs regiments in overseas service .
in france, some were issued to 2nd line reserve regiments .
during the Free French period, only the Leclerc Meharist companies were issued 37mm Mle 1916 ( it was carried on pack camels in normal use ) . There were a lot of italian captured AT Guns avaible to Leclerc forces , which were better !
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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2014, 10:41:25 PM »
oh, my 37mm puteaux is for Great War and early interwar anyway. It is very useful to know I could use them with native troops with Leclerc in Koufra, THX for that.

And also for the other pictures, but I meant a different revolver gun. I don't even know what that is in the pictures.
I meant this one:


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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2014, 10:56:02 PM »
this one ?


used in the forts from late XIXth to 1918 , may be more

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2014, 11:02:08 PM »
seems like the breech is missing there, but yes, probably this one.

it was also used by many navies, British, Russian, German and also French - the germans used it on a field mount, on the western front and in east africa as well, in WW1...

here in french
http://www.fortiffsere.fr/artillerie/index_fichiers/Page854.htm
« Last Edit: October 15, 2014, 11:06:22 PM by bedwyr »

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2014, 07:02:05 AM »
there is also this thing that is hard to come by in terms of sources



mortier de 120mm Brandt

was it a regimental support weapon?

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2014, 08:53:15 AM »
it was not put in service before the blitzkrieg .

2 120mm mortars were planned for each regiment ... but not before 1942 ...




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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2014, 09:01:18 AM »
damn....
they could have captured some from the germans though  ;)

seriously, what did they have instead as regimental support? 75e for everything?

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2014, 11:58:56 AM »
regimental support :

"compagnie régimentaire d'engins" :
2 x 81mm mortars
2 x 3 25mm AT gun
( sometimes 2x 20 mm CA Mle 39 Oerlikon )

+ in each of the 2 bataillons :
"compagnie d'accompagnement"
8 x 2 Hotchkiss MG
2 x 81mm mortars
2 x 25mm AT gun

+ in each company ( 3 companies in a bataillon )
1 x 60mm mortar

in second line reserve regiment, 37mm  Mle 16 TR were issued , instead of 25mm AT gun .

more support was at the division ( 3 infantry regiments )
there you have :
AT company : 12 x 25 mm AT guns
AT Battery : 8 x 47 mm AT guns
Artillery Regiment : 9 x 75mm guns
Heavy Artillery Regiment : 6 x 155mm guns

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2014, 12:47:46 PM »
THX
You need to specify the period though

surprising that the biggest tube at regimental level would be 81mm...
155mm at divisional level is rather basic then.
Which one? or all?



« Last Edit: November 05, 2014, 12:49:50 PM by bedwyr »

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2014, 01:31:25 PM »
short one 155C 17
in some regiments, 12 x 105mm C and 12 x 155mm C

Division organisation from the 30's

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2014, 02:31:40 PM »
THX

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Re: The French Army in the early 20th century - wargaming resources
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2014, 02:28:11 AM »
former user - you first photo is of the 155mm GPF gun, used for long range artillery in WWI and WWII (a Corps level asset IIRC) & the precursor to the US Army's WWII era 'Long Tom'. The US used the GPF in WWI too.

The second and third look to both be the Schneider 155mm C17S howitzer as in your drawing, the first of them is modernised for motorised towing, the second isn't & that looks to be a WWI era photograph!.
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