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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2014, 02:02:16 PM »
OK, but without the information, I would have thought he is an officer, as a porte-fanion...
I am surprised at this regulation madness  ;)
but I surrender to better knowledge

however, we are still a few figures short
« Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 03:08:45 PM by bedwyr »

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2014, 03:12:43 PM »
I admit that's uncommon ( and part of some kind of full dress ) for NCO , some european officers  and NCO are seen in helmet ( colonial helmet ) or in calot but never in fez .
But on the video, you have some 13DBLE legionnaires on the ship berfore Gabon wearing some kind of chechia similar to the one worn by the algerian and morrocan tirailleurs in europe ...



Dans les situations critiques, quand on parle avec un calibre bien en pogne, personne ne conteste plus. Y'a des statistiques là-dessus.

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2014, 03:55:53 PM »
this is interesting!  I haven't been able to watch the video yet,

but back to topic - I can well imagine that the Woodbine Fez heads could work with Perry bodies, they are rather smallish...

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2014, 06:05:46 AM »
for everyone interested in Bir Hakeim, I recommend to watch the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks3tMQqovq4

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2014, 11:27:35 AM »
a 75mm gun in Bir Hakeim , crew in british helmet, 2 crew in beret, NCO in Kepi  lol



a group of Leclerc RMT , natives in fez, 2 europeans in Kepi , 2 in Colonial helmets, 2 in Calots, one with Beret Basque   lol ( note the tirailleurs wearing sandals )



those pics give a good idea of why André Malraux had called them "Leclerc Epic Tramps"  ;)
« Last Edit: October 15, 2014, 11:31:43 AM by lou passejaire »

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2014, 11:50:18 AM »
Thx, I did not know the second one

I would be curious to know from when it dates. If it was from "Colonne Leclerc" times in 1943, the calots would be the red ones of the Spahi that reinforced Leclerc when guarding the flank of the 8th Army in Tunisia.

Yet, still no covered other ranks Kepi in a chechia unit..... ;)
a tan beret in a chechia unit would surprise me as well.
dark berets with Leclerc not so much, with that amount of commando and LRDG cooperation...

I wonder if the tan beret (that emulates the original coiffure of the 13e DBLE), was used by the original members to distinguish themselves from thos who joined after Operation Exporter?

the first picture is clearly a DBLE 75e, probably even real action.


btw, I would expect almost any kind of hat mixed with dark blue calot, to be seen on the 1er BIMP after their amalgamation from BIM
« Last Edit: October 15, 2014, 11:54:26 AM by bedwyr »

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2014, 01:53:39 PM »
the picture is presumed to be late 1941-early 1942, so the calots are not the red ones of the spahis .
don't forget that a lot of european the members of the Free French Leclerc Forces were former members of the colonial administration , or civilian volunteers ... and that, in the desert, an informal dress was common, you have the exemple of the LRDG ...
the beret is a common headress for french ...

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2014, 03:00:43 PM »
dark beret, yes, but tan?
anyway, I don't really know, but I don't expect british and french "informality traditions"  to be similar, au contraire.
From what I have seen, the french military appears to be very strict about hats  (officers apart). I remember that every rank used to have their own type of Kepi, even after 1930.
And I don't know of any other army that used to have such multitude of hats or hat styles, in peacetime, not even the british

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2014, 06:26:41 PM »
i received yesterday my 2 75mm guns and 2 packs of infantry in helmet ...
the gun crew figures are :
gun leader with kepi
2 gunners with helmet
1 gunner with calot ( and not fez ) ...
nice minis ...
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 07:58:08 PM by lou passejaire »

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2014, 07:19:08 PM »
i received yesterday my 2 75mm guns and 2 packs of infantry in helmet ...
the gun crew figures are :
gun leader with helmet
2 gunners with helmet
1 gunner with calot ( and not fez ) ...
nice minis ...

Strange indeed. My 75mm pack contained a leader wearing Kepi. All the remaining crew are as you described.

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2014, 07:57:23 PM »
well, I guess they made variations, which is good.
did they all have the scarves?

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2014, 08:05:30 PM »
Strange indeed. My 75mm pack contained a leader wearing Kepi. All the remaining crew are as you described.


it's a  typing error, shame on me  ;)

the gunner with calot will wear the red calot of the 1st morrocan spahis, and the kepi figure will became the commanding officer of the conus guns battery , spahi kepi ...

yes everybody carry a scarf ...

i'm waiting the end of november, the release by Perry Miniatures of the Morris 15CWT and the release by JTFM of the Marmon Herrington ... with 3 crusader, it'll become the Free french Flying Column ...

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2014, 08:41:19 PM »
well, hopefully there will be many more gunners, all with helmets/calot/chechia/kepi...  maybe even beret?

great!

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2014, 01:49:24 PM »
there is a great source of free french movies :
INA

free french and mostly vichy propaganda sources ...

but you have to search  lol

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Re: More Perry Western Desert
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2014, 03:48:55 PM »
fascinating source, merci

lot of opportunity to refresh mon francais

 

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