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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2015, 06:55:51 AM »
Lots of Flodden info in there too.



Now that has piqued my interest!!  ;D ;D

Will give it a read through when I can find the time (ASAP).

Darrell.

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2015, 09:41:04 AM »
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In 1464 a contingent sent north from Nottingham were issued with red 'jakettes and a yard of white fustian was used to cut out letters (N?)and set them on the jackettes'.
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Among Burgundian troops besieging Velexon castle in 1409-10 were 30 'armed men' and 15 crossbowmen sent from Dijon for one month's service, 'dressed and ready to go'. Vermilion cloth was supplied 'from which were cut the letters Dijon put on the sleeve of each jack', backed with white cloth 'in the form of a scroll'
Ducal accounts 1409
Something like this?
I knew the truck didn´t want to hit me...it had dodge written on the front

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Offline Patrice

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2015, 03:49:27 PM »
Something like this?


Yes, from same source as inspired the artwork in the Osprey book I mentioned:

Osprey Armies of Medieval Burgundy, plate B4.

This sign ~ is one of them word shortenings that you very often find in 15th C. texts: Õ for ON.

Offline Arlequín

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2015, 08:28:27 PM »
Yes, from same source as inspired the artwork in the Osprey book I mentioned:

This sign ~ is one of them word shortenings that you very often find in 15th C. texts: Õ for ON.

Likewise 'Y' written in English back then is often actually 'th' as a holdover from the Old English þ, while the alphabet also had a 'y' too (as in Ymbercourt for Umbercourt in the letters) - so when you see "Ye Olde English Tea Shoppe", it is actually 'The'. Confusingly 'ye' when written could be second person singular for 'thee' or second person plural for 'ye'... our present-day 'you' (objective) was rendered as 'thou' when used in the singular, but as 'you' in the plural.

It got somewhat more complex after 1600.  o_o

Offline Stuart

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2015, 08:44:02 PM »
That's interesting, y in welsh can mean 'the'. I'm not welsh btw I just live here under extreme suspicion

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2015, 07:20:00 AM »
That's interesting, y in welsh can mean 'the'. I'm not welsh btw I just live here under extreme suspicion

Does being from Cleveland not give you special status?  lol ;) ;)

Darrell.

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2015, 08:58:58 AM »
I was ejected from there as a witch as I could read  :D

Offline Arlequín

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2015, 11:25:53 AM »
I can't help thinking Medieval merchants missed a trick by not paying to add their name or mark onto livery jackets... Warwick's men could have the bear and staff on the front and "Oswald's nearly fresh fish" in fustian letters on the back.

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Re: Lettering in liveries
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2015, 12:38:13 PM »
Lots of Flodden info in there too.



Talking of Flodden.... I'm putting off that project and going for something else after Hastings. Great project to do- i just want to wait a little so I don't have too many fingers in too many pies (ooh err Missus) :)

Darrell.

 

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