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Offline SotF

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« on: 08 October 2015, 03:09:40 AM »
Been working on getting these done for RPG stuff along with more general things with wargaming. The intent is that the tops are flat but represent the tree going much higher, keeping the actual tree manageable on the table rather than needing to work through them to do everything, especially since the inspiration was to go with things long the lines of the redwood forests...though I'm not quite ready for the biggest ones as of yet, and am getting a few prototypes for the system done first and might make a few others. They're not fully done, but should be close to the last few stages before painting...




And one with a mini for scale


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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #1 on: 08 October 2015, 05:40:22 AM »
Interesting idea, looking forward to seeing them completed. Are you going to post a step by step on how you made them?
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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #2 on: 08 October 2015, 06:25:17 AM »
Very cool!  I am looking at making a score of these very soon.  I saw this vid on YouTube and he had me thinking...

DMScotty on YouTube


I think I like your trunks alot more however.

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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #3 on: 08 October 2015, 07:31:14 AM »
Good start. Can i recommend this guys thread for some inspiration? He's a bit of a genius. He has some different types of trees on there you might find useful....

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=41545.0

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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #4 on: 08 October 2015, 03:42:46 PM »
Interesting idea, looking forward to seeing them completed. Are you going to post a step by step on how you made them?

I'll list the steps, was thinking of a more direct tutorial with a second set of them. At the moment the concept was a thing of this seems like it should work and be useable without two foot trees taking up space that would be difficult to use and transport.

DMScotty's stuff did inspire the method of making them

I'm partially contemplating trying to mold and cast them. For the current and planned steps...

* Cardboard tubes (TP rolls were what I used for these, you can use others, different sizes mix well here and you could use other tubes for the core if you wish)
* Heavy card stock (The boxes that MT Dew, Coke, or whatever works well)
* Weights (I used Washers, but even some stones would work here) (same number as the tubes)
* Toilet Paper
* Paper Towel
* Hot Glue with gun
* White Glue
* Spray bottle with water
* Container of water you can get your hand into and out of easily
* Scissors
* pen/pencil
* Paints

For the first step, take the card stock and figure out how much of it you would need to easily fit over an end. This is a rough cut, but you need to have two of them per tube, give a decent lip when set in place, but don't attach yet.

Next, take your weights and hot glue, glue the weight to half of your card stock pieces, try for the center of them, make sure that they're attached solidly as well. Then glue your tubes in place on that end of each, a bead around the rim and press it firmly in place followed by another ring to make sure it's tightly in place.

Take your paper towels and fill the tube with crumpled pieces, you might want to take your hot glue gun and put beads on before ramming them in place with the pen/pencil, but you mainly just want to fill it. The hot glue is good for the end, make sure that the paper towel is all the way inside and a bit inside can hold it in place rather well.

Seal the open end with the other cut pieces of cardstock, same as you attached the weighted ends, make sure to press down enough to make it a solid seal tightened by the second ring of glue.

Take your scissors and trim the top and bottom as close to the edges as possible. A tiny lip on the ends is fine, but you want to get in close.

Take the white glue apply it to the sides and top of the tree, generous amounts, but on the top make sure it's smoother, then take a paper towel and drape it over the top and down the sides, pull it tightly around and try to keep the top flat. Take your spray bottle and wet the towel to make it move easier and to help it soak up the glue, then take a second paper towel and wrap it around the tube, use the top edge as a guide, and try not to have it above that (If you left a tiny lip when trimming in the previous step, use the lip as a guide) spray it wet and work it around to get the glue into it. Make sure not to cover the bottom of the tube, but it can overhang and will be handled later)

Leave it a day or two to dry out.

Trip the excess paper towel that would be over the lower edge.

Take a larger piece of cardstock (Try to give at least a half inch in all directions more than the width of the tube) (You can easily do this if you use a box that larger cans came in for bulk buys because they leave an impression that is useful in a later step) and glue your tubes bottom to the center of each piece.

Use TP to make root shapes on the cardstock connecting to the tree, soak it and place it. 4-7 roots per tree is a good baseline for trees of this size, you may need to adjust for larger or smaller ones.

Then carefully put glue over the roots and the glued paper towel. While its wet take sheets of TP and layer it over the roots to create a more natural shape along with covering the sides, a piece centered on the top after you finish a layer works well, but other than those keep the pieces off as you want to keep the top as flat and level as possible for the finished product. After each piece is in place spray it down with your spray bottle.

Let it dry completely.

Repeat the layer of TP again, making sure that you try to get a good coverage of the paper towel and other things for the shape.

Continue layers until you're happy with the look, the ones above are at this step with three layers over the roots and paper towel.

The next step is to take your hot glue gun and sculpt the bark over it.

Trim the card around the root structure as close to the roots as you can, then you can base it as you wish or leave it as is. The end result should be solid at this point even on the underside and would paint well enough with the rest to just blend in.

Paint it up, hit it all black, then a dark red-brown, followed by a heavy drybrush of a lighter shade, and a light one of an even lighter one. Touch up the top and underside black (helps represent that it isn't a "terrain part" but a representation of just part of a tree. (Not entirely sure for the paints here, but I'm still thinking Redwood)
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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #5 on: 09 October 2015, 10:13:34 PM »
Went over them in hot glue and trimmed the card around the underside down.




And a few with minis for scale again...human sized ones are from my old WoW Scourge inspired Vampire Counts army that I keep considering a rebasing of to match the majority of the RP stuff and to work with other games, they're on 20mm bases, the bronze bull and minotaur are on 2" bases if that helps size wise.




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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #6 on: 12 October 2015, 04:52:51 PM »
Well, finished painting the trees after a slight mishap, but they're still good though one probably isn't a good idea to cast up there. Planning on making a few more soon anyway to populate a board for a redwood forest setup.

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And one with some older minis for scale...and to show off the look there.


I'm planning on basing these eventually since the underside of them is starting to bow out, but it goes back under its own weight. I also want to have more to blend it in with everything else when I'm ready via flock, leaf litter, and other things of the sort.

I've been contemplating a few chunks of fallen trees both hollowed out and still relatively intact. I also saw a picture of a fallen tree damming up a creek that left a pond to create a waterfall over it while the tree hollowed out as an interior passage behind the waterfall. Thinking of making that for a corner or side piece to start a river for the completed board.

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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #7 on: 17 October 2015, 02:46:39 AM »
Got distracted with wanting to make a tree with a carved tunnel...and made a small mistake in its size leading to one a whole lot larger than I'd initially planned. Was planning for a large overlap around the sides, but ended up without something to help keep it's shape at that size until I could get the top and bottom reinforcement together. Just have the inner core and framing done, still have a lot to build up from there, but it's a start for something that will likely be more of a centerpiece for a table and might have me making more trees between this size and the others.




And a few with a mini for scale.




Not the best pics, but they're still of a work in progress and quick shots.

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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #8 on: 18 October 2015, 05:22:45 PM »
Outstanding!  I have several autos but it did not occur to me to have one with a tunnel through it, but that would be perfect for my "Strange Aeons" gaming.

Glad to see you are still working on this one.  For me, it is still a "back burner" until I get a half dozen other things done, so it is good to have someone else posting to keep me moving toward this goal as well!   :D

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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #9 on: 18 October 2015, 09:07:45 PM »
Outstanding!  I have several autos but it did not occur to me to have one with a tunnel through it, but that would be perfect for my "Strange Aeons" gaming.

Glad to see you are still working on this one.  For me, it is still a "back burner" until I get a half dozen other things done, so it is good to have someone else posting to keep me moving toward this goal as well!   :D

Scott

There are several pics of tunnels, even ones for cars, cut into some of the redwoods which inspired the project.

I'm largely working on a paper mache layer over the cardboard to give the basic shape...hot glue works quite well for the actual bark texture, but it's rather easy to build up with paper towels and toilet paper to bulk it up and work out the root structure.

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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #10 on: 20 October 2015, 01:45:03 AM »
Well, I have the outside shaped up pretty well, next is a layer of glue for the more bark like texture, and to keep everything together enough that I can paper up the interior of the tunnel. With the sheer amount needed for the exterior, it's taking a lot longer to dry out than planned, but the top is dry and the rest seems to be getting there slowly.




Tried to get a shot of the werewolf on top, but ended up cutting off some of the edges, you can still get a good grasp of the size for the piece though. It's base is a 2" square one, and it seems like the interior of the tunnel might be slightly off of what I'd planned...forgot to take the curve into account when figuring out the size, it still fits a 2" base inside well enough though.


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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #11 on: 20 October 2015, 09:49:00 PM »
I have a layer of hot glue over the outside, next step is papering and then a glue layer for the interior before painting it up. The underside ended up warping thanks to family who showed up and decided that we had an urgent need for the table and didn't put it somewhere flat while they were messing with moving my work off of the table...size made use of the desk difficult.

Didn't bother with a scale mini this time due to the work still being ongoing.


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Re: Truncated Trees
« Reply #12 on: 26 October 2015, 05:13:27 AM »
Well, have the tree painted up, going to be ordering some bases for the set of them soon and I'm torn about adding ferns now or when I get the bases in...leaning towards waiting so that I can figure out how to spread them out more since I don't have a ton of them at the moment...


Yes, it is flanked by the other trees, only one real direction pic of it this time, I'm going to try for some more with better lighting soon, but I got one with my scifi spec ops team that is largely Reaper IMEF...with some conversions to others for a medic and tech (Medic is from, I believe, the CMoN Mech Pilot, and the Tech is, I think, one of the models designed to look like they fit infinity...I think it's Officer Sarah something, can't remember as it's been a few years since I painted them...still want the new reinforcements as well to bulk the team up even more).


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« Reply #13 on: 08 November 2015, 12:40:16 AM »
Well, got some plywood bases for the trees, and I've attached the smaller ones and went with an initial texture via hot glue. Next thing to do is add other basing materials after letting this fully harden and cool before adding a sand and similar to start making it more stable before painting the base and redoing the connection points. Then comes the flocking and such.




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« Reply #14 on: 10 November 2015, 07:32:10 PM »
Well, added sand and stones then painted the bases and repainted over the blending points. Added the ferns to them and just need to flock it and add leaf litter to finish them up for sealing.








 

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