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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNZpoOdikw&t=93s



https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-warmaidens-and-dragonbreds/description











Link to the Rebboted version!  :)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/comments

Hopefully you will like the rebooted version & new Stretch Goal line...  :D

Appreciate the support!


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Link to the Kickstarter page

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-vs-orcs/comments



Hi all, thought I'd share the news here too  :)

"Shieldmaidens vs Orcs"

We never concealed the fact we expected a lot more in our KS-1, but as we say in Greece κάθε εμπόδιο για καλό (every obstacle stands for good reason). We still have to ship Wave-2 and thus not completed this adventure just yet, but we feel like we have accumulated a huge experience from this adventure which can only do us good in the following one. As we are getting closer to the conclusion of our KS-1, we can commence revealing more stuff on our KS-2 which (as the title says) is "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs". We are going to build these two armies first and take it from there, heavily pointing on the ladies for the first 120K at something like 65-70% for the Shieldmaidens and only 30-35% for the Orcs.

KS-2 is going to have a completely different structure from KS-1. Being more precise

No more gold coins (simple $ USD next to each item)
Five-six pledge levels; one for simple add-ons.
Not all items will be allowed as add-ons
Early birds; two pledge levels will have early birds. Both are going to save backers between 5-10$.
First item to be funded are the Shieldmaiden plastic infantry kit.
we are pushing way more plastics early on
Ruleset "War is Coming" will be ready and downloadable for everyone and for free. Backers however are going to receive an extended version that besides the rules is going to have a lot of background history and artwork. We believe it to be really worthwhile.
Value for money is going to be very evident from day-1.

When does it hit?
We promised that we will first wrap up KS-1, and that will be by late November. Launching KS-2 finds us divided between early December or early January, since we understand the augmented expenses we all have in Christmas. We are very heavily thinking 1st or 2nd week of January (certainly not a day later than that!) so any loose ends if KS-1 may be dealt with, but we would like to hear what you think.

Plastic multi-part Shieldmaiden Infantry kit
When we started sculpting, we wanted them to be more "sensibly" clothed, but we didn't want to lose the "fantasy" feeling. We are not doing historical minis, we want a distinct fantasy range.  :)

This is a picture of how we commenced many months ago, making sure they will fit in rank n'file positions, but also maintain a both realistic and dynamic pose (the base isn't round but square, this is only the program's jpeg).
Now the model has been complemented and we made sure to add a tiny bit more "clothing" but please expect a sexy and fantasy aspect in the miniatures we have designed.
We also have more things to tell you regarding some new stuff we will be doing to our plastics. In our opinion there is currently only one plastic fantasy manufacturer worldwide that produces the quality we opt for; we are aiming to at least match that, if not one day surpass it!
For that to happen, we will need (once again) your faith and support.  :)



We hope you will like what we have been working on since March and we will have more information & pictures in November.

Thank you!  :D
« Last Edit: January 17, 2018, 04:42:10 PM by Shieldwolf Miniatures »

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 07:41:53 PM »
Little by little more stuff is being revealed, making sure to keep the fantasy aesthetic of our range.  :D
As we have said prior to this TOK Shieldwolf is the first ever company trying to fund a complete female army in plastic and polyurethane resin (let alone multi-part). The project will also try to expand the Orc range in what we consider the most brutal and detailed Orc army miniatures worldwide!
We hope you like this project as much as we do.  8)

THE SHIELDMAIDENS

Here are two more designs in T-stance we have been working on, the 1st is the evolution of what we showed you last month and still not absolute final design. The second is a version we had not yet revealed. As always these are 28mm "heroic" scale models. We would like to make it clear that a T-stance is how we design the miniatures and not how they are posed. Given in this Kickstarter-2 we are again co-funding the product (and therefore will need it to sell at retail too in order to make back the investment), it is safe to expect dynamic and believable poses from these plastic models…"





(here we will make good use of the feedback received from the Community and alter the kneepads for example!)  ;)


We have also revealed miniatures funded in the 1st kickstarter, we think they are both lovely models.
Here are the Icemaiden Druid and Necromancer Maiden!





THE ORCS

On the Orcs as you probably know we have chosen not to copy the aesthetics of other companies. It's not so much whether it's better or not (YMMV) but I think everyone agrees on being "different". We are off to make a great affordable game, with really high quality miniatures.
In this Kickstarter-2 we have promised really good value for money, so the Orc pledges are certainly going to be worth it from the very start. You will judge for yourselves.
After which, when we commence unlocking SGs and reach their plastics for the Valley Orc Infantry... well, that's really going to make people much happier.

(Your comments are much appreciated)  :)

For the Shamans there are two independent reviews from production miniatures already on YouTube for you to judge

Mountain Orc Shaman

Valley Orc Shaman

And here's another production model for our Valley Orc Hero (with 2-handed weapon version) which we had previewed in our KS-1

Valley Orc Hero (with 2-handed weapon)

Thank you for all your interest and comments, you motivate us with every word. :)

A new update is coming out within the next few days. Kickstarter should start in less than a month.
Thank you!

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 10:00:01 PM »
Oh look. Chainmail crop tops and mini skirts.

I'm half-tempted to do a Hawkeye Initiative with this kind of thing.

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On the Orcs as you probably know we have chosen not to copy the aesthetics of other companies.

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2015, 10:54:00 PM »
Please take this as constructive criticism paired with a certain concern:

I understand that you go here for a Fantasy style that is not at all grounded in reality, truely high fantasy which even alters the rules of Physics etc. and in a universe full of magic that is surely something that could exist.

However, you write that you strive for "believable poses" and "we wanted them to be more 'sensibly' clothed, but we didn't want to lose the 'fantasy' feeling. We are not doing historical minis, we want a distinct fantasy range." I think you achieved the former with the first render (a very nice pose, that is also believable) and latter with the two minis from the last Kickstarter. The ladies look believable to me, for say a swamp/voodoo priest setting. They are sexy but do not cater to the male gaze alone. Their outfit, however, makes no sense for the frosty setting you imply with the basing. Ok, maybe they have Elemental protection spells, but they would still fare better if they don't have to always cast it to not die of exposure.  If in this universe elemental protection spells are common and easy to cast I would exspect all races and genders to follow this design aesthetic. The same applies to my comments below.

The new shieldmaidens do IMO not achieve the goals you set out to achieve. I can not see how this can be considered to be sensible clothing. I get that you want to preserve a 'Fantasy' feel to it, but then I must ask, is this the essence of 'Fantasy' wargaming that differentiates it from historical ranges? I hope not so.

For instance Red Box Games has sensible female warriror models in their range that are still distinctively Fantasy:

http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15&products_id=143

http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=125

You want to create an all female army, which is awesome and something the market is lacking, but I don't see why this has to be an army that only caters to the male gaze. Why not have slightly more realistic armour and weapons that still keep with the High Fantasy Setting? It is just such a pitty given the sculpts are so good (especially the faces and the hair). I also understand that you want to fund the Kickstarter, but given the success of other initiatives that ask for believable female miniatures I would hope that you can get it funded even if the ladies would have more sensible clothing. I would fund it if such changes would be implemented.


« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 11:22:58 PM by Peithetairos »

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2015, 11:16:07 PM »
Well put.

The poses and proportions look great, as does the general sculpting. But those cheesy sorts of outfits seem very dated to me. From a purely miniature-collector standpoint, no politically correct axe to grind, I might part with money for something that looked like a warrior, but not a glamour model wearing fetish gear.

If you're realistically looking for feedback to tweak the design ahead of production, that would be my two cents, because the rest looks fine.
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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2015, 11:46:27 PM »
I agree with the comments about the clothing there. No doubt your pieces fit into the High Fantasy Excessive style and category. But honestly, I think the market has moved on from that and gamers now are looking for different and dare I say more realistic approaches.
There are so many cheesecake fantasy figures that it is almost impossible to remember who makes what and which range they come from.


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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 11:57:23 PM »
I like the Necromancer maiden, good pose - maybe twist the head a bit, so she doesn't look at her own hand only ), good detail, can't be bothered by her clothes ( Ral Partha did the same throughout the 80's and 90's on many of their adventurers ) so yes, if affordable I'd buy her.
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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 12:21:50 AM »
I agree as well. I like the necromancer, and she would fit well with my current fantasy project. But the shieldmaidens armour is anything but sensible, as it leaves half of their organs and most of their legs exposed. Something I do like about the armor on the first one is segmented pauldrons. It's nice to see something aside from the oversized single piece shoulder plates on fantasy miniatures.

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2015, 08:50:21 AM »
Hi all!  :)

Everyone's comment is greatly appreciated, especially @Peithetairos who analyzed it in a very constructive manner.

Replicating back (hopefully you too will take this in a constructive manner), there's a number of reasons we opted for this type of armor/clothing.

a) We took a poll and that's what the vast majority of people voted for (before being maliciously tampered with :() so we have taken this under great consideration.

b) The Shieldmaidens is the first of a number of kits we have prepared for this project. But it's the only one we have revealed, so we think there will be a version you will inevitably like. Not all of you are going to eventually like something but we believe most of you will!
(some despite our hard work will unfortunately dislike all our takes...)  ;)

c) Answering to your comment regarding http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=125, while a nice model it's not our vision of fantasy (could be a medieval take). That's a matter of taste/opinion, so not much to build on probably. To each his own.

d) We are featuring highly modular hard plastic. Regarding @Vermis comment, we've seen pictures of how people have substituted the heads of our plastic Orcs with Games-Workshop head versions. It's hard plastic! As commented in forums we interact with, modelers around the world can very easily pat some greenstuff on the belly areas, then sculpt chainmail, it's probably one of the easiest things to do when working with greenstuff.  ;) Most of our supporters (just like us) are not only gamers so it's nice to evolve the conversion side of our hobby, we very much support that in making one's army unique  :D It's a great part of our hobby and we support it.

As stated above, there's more coming. This is fresh territory and we have no idea how it's going to work out, but we love what we do and we are very willing to spend funds, time and effort to bring to the market what we believe it's currently missing.
We have been working on this for something like 8 months, so there's definitely even more to expect!  8)
« Last Edit: December 08, 2015, 08:56:32 AM by Shieldwolf Miniatures »

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 11:02:00 AM »
Thank you for the detailed response. I can understand your reasoning based on the survey and stylistic considerations. Looking forward to the other sets. This one is not my cup of tea, but if there will be other styles I will surely have a second look. Will you by any chance also offer head only packs?

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Re: "Shieldmaidens vs Orcs" 2nd Kickstarter announced by Shieldwolf Miniatures
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 12:15:33 PM »
I almost resisted posting in this topic; alas, I am weak.

My general thoughts and observations:

1) High fantasy and sexy =/= chainmail croptops and fur bikinis. Figure-hugging outfits, slightly exaggerated proportions, and low heels are still plenty to show beyond doubt that they are female (even if it's not "realistic"), but they still don't need to look like as impractical as catwalk models or pornstars. So I think this is okay, whilst this looks bloody stupid. Hopefully you can see the difference and understand what I'm trying to get at here.  ;)

2) If these are for a snowy/cold setting, then I feel they need to be clothed at least somewhat suitably. I can cope with them not being swaddled in thick furs and cloaks, but I would expect them to be covered from their neck to their knees at the very least.

3) Launching a range of under-dressed female models that you want funding for via KS and then telling your customers that they can sculpt their own clothes and armour on is... Not great.  :? I might be up for re-sculpting a couple of figures, maybe (although if I'm doing that, why would I be buying yours?). However, I'm not daft enough to buy an army just to then re-sculpt it!

4) I understand that these are previews of one kit, and that there are more coming. But I think it's wrong to shoot down comments that you invited by saying "yeah, but this is just one kit, we have others coming that you might prefer!" If you're not interested by what people think in general, that's fine - but maybe you need to direct people to what areas of the design you're looking for feedback on instead?

So, whilst I might be able to cope with some silly models like Dark Elf Witches (who are probably off their faces on combat drugs anyway), I really cannot see the appeal of a whole army of slightly odd-looking under-dressed female models that I would need to heavily convert.

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As much as I love women in full realistic platemail... It's my fetish...
 
Are you guys crazy? Seriously, are you mad? Not only are you trying to censor artistic direction (and the miniatures look really good) but you're trying to say people aren't interested in this sort of stuff. Kingdom Death sells ridiculously well so I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, to Shieldwolf: Just waiting to see what orcs you guys are putting out. I've loved them so far.

Also if you guys ever do like Celtic warrior maidens or something please immediately email me since I'd be able to get the missus into miniatures too. Actual, these girls look pretty close already. I might end up getting some, depending on how they look.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2015, 12:49:53 PM by nullBolt »

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[...] As much as I love women in full realistic platemail... It's my fetish...
 
Also if you guys ever do like Celtic warrior maidens or something please immediately email me since I'd be able to get the missus into miniatures too. Actual, these girls look pretty close already. I might end up getting some, depending on how they look.

Quoted so that I can actually read what you posted...  :P

As for Kingdom Death.. Umm, well they do divide opinions very sharply, as do brother Vinnie's efforts.

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I love the Icemaiden Druid and Necromancer Maiden...excellent looking mini's!!!

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@Major_Gilbear
First of all I appreciate you taking the time to post your thoughts in detail.  :)
Our opinion on conversions may differ. YMMV but from our stance it's not "heavily converted", it's 2 out of 5 proposed torsos that you'll need to apply greenstuff only on the stomach area. It was suggested by others when debating the clothing, so it's not our "way out" if people want more clothing, it's a simple solution. We prefer them as we make them but if it's "possible" for them to be converted in "fully clothed"... then so be it  8)

Also, this project may be aiming primarly in getting funded but (just like we said in our 1st KS) that's not the ultimate goal, we have prepared 10 times over the initial offerings!  ;)
War is Coming is an army game, it needs lots and lots of stuff to be played with, and if we want to offer 4-5 troop types for each faction, monstrous cavarly, characters, skirmish units, monsters, great monsters etc, and make people get all that for an amazing price, then we need a really big crowd. This is the reason we bother with Kickstarter.

@nullBolt
Well, we do appreciate all feedback and it did result for example in changing the kneepads on the 2nd model we've shown here, but there's a limit to how much we could effectively change, it's not that we are going to last-minute change the entire concept, like we said it's been months we've been working on these!
The bet has been placed and the result will be seen early January, we are aiming at funding in the first 48 hours.

Thank you for the comment on the Orcs.  :) As for the Valley Orcs, we have prepared so much stuff that even people who may initially not be interested in these, will be.  :D

@Awesomeshotdude
Thank you, glad you like them! Both will feature again in KS-2 :D

With everyone's help, this can happen.

 

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