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Offline italwars

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2017, 04:59:12 PM »
ECWCap
interesting!!!....i also have minis and scenarios plus quite a few good sources for the 2 sideshow colonial theatres that you mentioned...above all French in West African for which my Senegalese Tirailleurs and mixed West African/Dervishes as proxies are are ready
if you can read French i strongly suggest you as ispiration for almost ready made scenarios and some good maps:

http://www.lavauzelle.com/keops/edition/articles.php?f=HIT&sSF=002&a=ED&sSA=

Offline JBaumal

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2017, 08:18:23 PM »
I see we have some of the same interests.

I planned on using OG Boxers for my Black Flags. Can I use the Chinese regulars with head and hat conversions?

How should they be painted? What I've found is mostly all black, some dark blue or brown and some white shirts. Correct? How about the head gear? I've mostly coolie hats. How should I paint the OG Boxer and Chinese headgear?

Got any books or online sources for the painting guides?

I wish I'd of bought Vince's London Warroom figs when I'd had the chance....

Cheers,
JB

Offline italwars

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2017, 10:11:43 PM »
For now just a quick google images..next days I ll borrow my sources
The definitive work on the subject of uniforms and flags is, in any case,the Foundry book on the subject
https://www.google.it/search?q=pavillons+noirs&client=safari&hl=it&prmd=sinv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0oPyqosPUAhVGMZoKHfeaCxIQ_AUICigC&biw=320&bih=460

Offline JBaumal

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2017, 02:54:53 AM »
Italwars, once again you've come through with some awesome data. Thank you!
From what I see they weren't dressed in just dark colors.

I look forward to what else you come up with.

Cheers,
JB

Offline S J Donovan

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2017, 12:34:40 AM »
A couple of suggestions for guides beyond the Foundry book. 
Go to www.savageandsoldier.com and look at the list of articles, quite a bit for Tonkin and under China is one for the Black Flags, you could then contact Bob Burke and get copies of the old mag.  I don't think we published any under The Heliograph but you could also ask Bob.
The Foundry book lists two costume/uniform articles (in French) that might be worthwhile.  A good university library should be able to get copies.
George Nafzinger www.nafzigercollection.com has a  title of some interest in the period A Little War The French Campaign against the Black Flag pirates in the Upper Tonkin, 1896.  Ten years later but contains topo maps, tactics and OBs for battles with the Black Flag very good info.
Richard Brooks

Offline Arthur

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 11:51:03 AM »
Chiming in a bit late, but I'll echo what others said about the Foundry book, which is probably the most comprehensive English-language source on Vietnamese  troops. It's still in print and available from Foundry :

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/index.php/books/military-history-books/armies-19th-century-burma-and-indo-china/

Offline italwars

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2017, 12:54:47 PM »
i was'nt able to download, as i did in another topic of last year, also the full collection of plates of annamite Imperial Army that fought the French..but you can find some plates here...a lot of colour inspiration for our minis:

https://www.google.it/search?q=Army+of+Tu+Duc&rlz=1C1EODB_enIT584IT584&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjD1IDh68nUAhVGEVAKHbfiACMQsAQIKA&biw=1280&bih=845#tbm=isch&q=Armee+campagne++Tu+Duc&imgrc=etqW2dv11yXh0M:

Offline marco55

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2018, 03:01:09 AM »
I wonder if these can be used for the 1880's,equipment wise I mean. https://www.eaglesofempire.com/
Mark

« Last Edit: August 01, 2018, 03:03:20 AM by marco55 »

Offline Shipka

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2018, 07:09:09 PM »
If it is 28mm you are after then Gringos40 will I am sure will include them in their Tonkin range

Offline marco55

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »
Yeah I know that but you can always use more. lol These are 28mm.
Mark

Offline gringo

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2018, 12:28:03 PM »
Gents

just to say I will be making Turcos  and Zouaves..as well as Spahai troops
in the 1885 uniforms  used in Tonkin  and probably the more common
light blue/dark blue fancy jackets....working on these at the moment
along with the book/s and rules/and Navy for both sides...all units will be covered in depth...along with the sundry equipment used. :D

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com

Offline marco55

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2018, 12:53:31 PM »
This article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonkin_Expeditionary_Corps says that the first French commander of this force had his troops dressed in black. That's something that I hadn't heard before.
Mark

Offline gringo

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2018, 12:57:56 PM »
Mark

local cotton cloth Mark.....
dark brown black pajamas effectively
climatically spot on!

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com

Offline marco55

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2018, 01:17:14 PM »
Yeah I just didn't know about them.
Mark

Offline traveller

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Re: French zouaves ca 1885 for the Tonkin expedition?
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2018, 01:45:03 PM »
Thanks for the recommendations! Look forward to see your stuff Ged!

 

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