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Author Topic: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!  (Read 22635 times)

Offline mellis1644

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #165 on: January 10, 2017, 03:33:05 PM »
I'm an x-wing player and sort of liked the space/ship fighting scenes (could have been more of those) but I have to say I was not wonderfully impressed with the movie. I actually found the movie something of a turn off for me. The easter eggs for the other movies etc. were cute but the overall it left me feeling 'meh' as my daughter would say.

The 'dumb as sheep and useless in combat' imperials gets really old and I pretty much guessed every step of the plot before it came up. There was really little tension in the movie IMO. You knew they would get the message out in the end so why not make it about whether the heroes survive - but that was clear they were going to kill them in the end. As mentioned here, there were various plot devices/silly items that made me go '???' why would they do that? Oh to make the story work of course as it's stupid/does not make sense otherwise...

It was not awful but the beer afterwards was a better deal. I would have been better using that money to buy more toys and just head to the bar. Next movie (next christmas) I'll just take a pass on I think. 
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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #166 on: January 10, 2017, 05:09:27 PM »
Did I miss something?  The imperials seemed a lot more deadly this time, their fire was effective against the rebels on the ground and tons of rebel fighters got shot out of the sky.

As for point defense, I'd like to see that, too, but fighter-v-fighter was pretty cool, as well.  US aircraft carriers only carry, what, about 8 Sea Sparrow missiles in a box?  At least back in the 1980s-1990s, not sure what, now.  Okay, CWIS and RAM point defense, but their offensive and defensive weaponry is based upon aircraft and escort ships.  So, I can see an ISD without *every* weapon system.  Maybe CWIS was disengaged while the TIEs were flying that close.

Whatever the case, you're right, it's time to see some ISDs showing more their power, but I still liked what they did in Rogue One.  Supposing that jumping out of hyperspace in that position was deliberate, then ramming those rebels before they escaped was pretty slick.

On another note, I wonder if the Director's Cuts will include more of Vader bathing, longer set-up scenes before firefights, more explanation of the blind-sensei and his shooter buddy's history together, more about the Jedi temple that was being ransacked, and so on.  They could easily add another hour or two of backstory and scene preparation.  I'd enjoy that.

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #167 on: January 12, 2017, 07:14:27 AM »
@mellis1644 - absolutely agree RE: absurdly incompetent Imperials - I had a bad feeling about R1 when Krennic's ostensibly elite Death Trooper body guards allowed him to be shot by a non-com ... but who could have guessed Imperial uselessness would escalate to such insane levels that ISDs don't even bother to deploy when attacked?

movies tend to inadvertantly make fun of themselves where they struggle and R1 is no exception ... twice in the movie, the primary antagonist expresses anger and disbelief at the incompetence of everyone around him - I found myself doing the same while watching - and the problem with rationalizing this as a systemic organizational problem is, that lets the air out of the tires as far as danger/tension is concerned: the Rebels are never really in that much trouble (unless they are scheduled to die by the screenwriter/storyboarder)

... which is R1 in a nutshell ...

pity the Empire can't just use more of the K-series droids considering K-2SO held off a whole platoon of stormtroopers singlehandedly ... of course Jyn casually "one-shotted" the same model droid in an earlier scene so ... whatever I guess?
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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #168 on: January 12, 2017, 12:34:01 PM »
in the next movie we are going to find all imperial issue blaster sights are made by some crosseyed species to retcon justify their woeful accuracy.

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #169 on: January 12, 2017, 03:13:24 PM »



I bet in the remake they cut to some f'ing mass discharge of CIG spfx showing you every single one of those images in 10809P detail.  >:( No one in the audience is trusted enough by hollywood to be allowed to use their own imagination these days.


Possibly not, since Hauer supposedly improvised the speech. (In fact, he wrote it in advance, editing down a considerably longer soliloquy contained in the original script). But I guess the makers of the remake may be able to negotiate with Rutger for the right to use the lines...

He doesn't half look like Anthony Hopkins in that picture though...

As far as Rogue One goes, some of the forensic dissection going on here really is unbelievable...

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #170 on: January 12, 2017, 03:32:50 PM »
If it was not for it being 'star wars' I believe R1 would use be an another forgettable, made some cash but not loads sci-fi movie. The 'you know the ending or the mission' does not help it either. Star wars fans love it as expected, and it's made a load of money, but as a stand alone movie its ok but not great.

Funny how the recent Mavel/super hero movies so far have been able inject tension and fun into a known ending (you know the heroes are going to win in those movies) for me while the last two Star Wars movies have not.

I guess I'll stick to super hero movies. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 is out this summer and hopefully lives up the the first, which really blows all the recent star wars movies into dust IMO.

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #171 on: January 12, 2017, 04:52:38 PM »
I could name you a number of "super hero movies" that have been worse in recent years.

Batman Vs Superman for starters. Then throw in the last X-Men First Class movie, at least two of the Spiderman movies . . . . . .
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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #172 on: January 12, 2017, 05:43:07 PM »
@mellis1644 - yes R1 is coasting tremendously on the SW brand but if you were to take out all the fan-fictiony references there wouldn't be much left

I also agree the forgone conclusion of the plot was no serious challenge - no one watches ANH thinking they won't blow up the Death Star! or that Luke won't succeed and survive ... the problem with R1 is more that Disney's priority was hitting hard on the references at the expense of the fundamentals, even more so than with Epsiode VII

in the next movie we are going to find all imperial issue blaster sights are made by some crosseyed species to retcon justify their woeful accuracy.
I kid you not, I have already seen clickbait explaining that Donnie Yen was using the Force to throw off the Death Troopers' aim when he slowly walked to the switch ... which of course means we have to ask, then why did he stop? or did the Force the turn on him? she is a harsh mistress ...
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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #173 on: January 12, 2017, 07:33:59 PM »
I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #174 on: January 12, 2017, 07:55:31 PM »
I kid you not, I have already seen clickbait explaining that Donnie Yen was using the Force to throw off the Death Troopers' aim when he slowly walked to the switch...
We've got to expect at least some silly cliche, right?  And why not?  It is a sci-fi adventure movie, after all.

I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.
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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #175 on: January 12, 2017, 10:29:26 PM »
"It's just a [insert dismissive category], don't think about it too much" is not a good review. But I agree with you guys, it does apply to R1.

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #176 on: January 12, 2017, 10:56:33 PM »
I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.

My feelings exactly.

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #177 on: January 13, 2017, 09:22:09 AM »
I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.

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It's just that I like to kill my darlings and also take apart my favorite toys to see how they work. But no degree of dissection can diminish my enjoyment of the movie(s). What can I say? I'm a Star Wars nut and I just love the universe.

And search your feelings; you know it's true that the original trilogy is far from perfect too, no matter how deified our childhood memories have become... ;)
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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #178 on: January 13, 2017, 12:10:53 PM »
I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.

Yeah!!!

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Re: Rogue One Discussion !!!SPOILERS!!!
« Reply #179 on: January 13, 2017, 04:37:31 PM »
We've been laughing at inept Stormtroopers since 1977.
That's nothing new.

It's the same with Lord of the Rings. I never could see why they were all so worried about orcs. Sure, the orcs could knock around a few unarmed peasants, but every time they came up against organised resistance they lost. If that's the best Sauron could come up with then...no wonder the twat lost. I just don't see what they were all worried about.
The best I can find to say about Sauron is that he was damn good at logistics - he managed to billet, equip, and feed all those orcs within the borders of Mordor. But other than that...nope. He and his orcs were beaten all the time.

Indeed, his forces were vast, yet he managed to keep them all together, fed, watered and disciplined. Say what you will about Sauron, he was a good logistician. But Orcs on the whole were a bit of a paper tiger. All that heavy armour and they would just get smacked around by light infantry swinging the straight edge of a sword against them. Cavalry could just ride right over them and arrows would always get them in just the right spot. They were arrow sponges. Anyone would think that bad guys in movies are just set dressing for the heroes to wade through and look, well, heroic.  ;)

 

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