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Author Topic: Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Empress NHS Charity Nurse 19/09/2021  (Read 21741 times)

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2019, 10:46:57 PM »
No, that appears to be the worst. I did not notice until I was taking photographs.

I did have to tidy a mould line off most of the helmets.

This is the only other photograph I have of them,.

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2019, 12:04:02 AM »
  :( It is surprising that every sculptor makes the same mistake with the early war webbing. That entrenching tool holder with the wood handle strapped across it was not manufactured and issued until sometime after Dunkirk.
Here is a photograph of the complete early 37 pattern webbing as worn :



You cannot say that it is a 1908 pattern entrenching tool carrier, as they had a completely different method of attaching the wood handle (down the leg with the bayonet).
If anybody wants any more evidence check out Karkee web:

http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1937/1937_entrenching_tools_carriers.html

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2019, 12:09:02 AM »
Yeah strangely enough Warlords BEF infantry got that bit right  o_o

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2019, 12:20:02 AM »
As they say: ‘even a blind pig finds the occasional acorn’. I believe that is WLG’s official research policy.
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3 a 0 no Liverpool
Ficou marcado na história
E no Rio não tem outro igual
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E agora seu povo
Pede o mundo de novo

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2019, 08:50:38 AM »
My first thought was "ho hum...".

My next thought was to have a look at my limited reference material.

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Osprey Men At Arms 354: The British Army 1939-45(1) page 39.
"As initially issued the new equipment had no entrenching tool; the old Implement, Intrenching, 1908 had been declared obsolete in 1923. A pattern not dissimilar to the types in use in France, Germany and many other nations was introduced as the Implement, Intrenching, 1939 pattern. This new tool was not well liked as it hung down well below the waist and obstructed the legs, particularly of shorter soldiers. The problem was remedied in 1941 by reintroducing the 08 tool, in a redesigned carrier and newly listed as the Implement, Intrenching, Pattern 1937. (This is a good example of how pattern dates can cause confusion - a 1908 pattern tool reintroduced in 1941 and then designated pattern 1937)
You can see the Pattern 1939 entrenching tool handle in plate B1.

I do have the "to 1908" Osprey book somewhere, I will have a look.

In Empress' defence, these were originally sourced as VBCW rather than WW2:
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Mid 1930's to 1940 British. These will work for some BEF regiments in France and home defence during theoretical Operation Sealion.

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2019, 11:09:24 AM »
If anybody wants any more evidence check out Karkee web:

http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1937/1937_entrenching_tools_carriers.html

Interesting read, thanks for that.

I have the "... to 1908" equipment book, but the 1908 is in the "... 1908 - 80" book.

So...
My first thought was "ho hum...".
And so is my current thought.

Oh well, back to storage for them (Vodkafan - I got a nine litre "Really Useful Box" from whoever Figures In Comfort are now with four 33 50mmx25mm cut outs for I think £25).

It was not a complete write off, I also spray painted the four Under Fire Rhodesians at the same time. Now to revise the buy list for Salute.

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2019, 11:27:15 AM »
That new guy looks great. Looking forward to seeing the next batch painted up.
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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: Early War British 09/02/19
« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2019, 12:20:06 PM »
Interesting read, thanks for that.

I have the "... to 1908" equipment book, but the 1908 is in the "... 1908 - 80" book.

So...And so is my current thought.

Oh well, back to storage for them (Vodkafan - I got a nine litre "Really Useful Box" from whoever Figures In Comfort are now with four 33 50mmx25mm cut outs for I think £25).

It was not a complete write off, I also spray painted the four Under Fire Rhodesians at the same time. Now to revise the buy list for Salute.

Karkee Web is a fantastic site. I had never even heard of the Pattern 1939 Leather equipment, or the 1913, 1925 and the experimental 1936 sets before I found that. Thanks for the info about the RUB and Figures in Comfort!

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2019, 02:09:51 PM »
I have just assembled the new Rubicon SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad half track kit.

It is a lovely kit of such a dinky vehicle.




Not quite sure what I am going to use it for (it is too small for use with an M134 minigun), but it was supposed to be fielded in North Africa.

Any suggestions?

Offline commissarmoody

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #84 on: April 19, 2019, 03:26:13 PM »
Decent scatter terrain, jump off marker for chain of command, or as a vechical to race to the exit in games were to get points for getting of a board edge. A one way trip for a flamethrower team on a suicide mission.

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2019, 07:37:03 AM »
Decent scatter terrain, jump off marker for chain of command, or as a vechical to race to the exit in games were to get points for getting of a board edge. A one way trip for a flamethrower team on a suicide mission.
It would make good cover if on fire, see photograph here....
http://www.kettenkrad.de/bilder2_e.htm

Offline Ste long 1971

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2019, 08:30:04 AM »
They were used in North Africa. I have seen pictures of them towing pak36s and various small anti weapons rifles etc plus the Tamiya 1/48 scale has the option of towing the Goliath remote controlled mine

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2019, 11:36:19 AM »
Yes, I was going to say, once I’ve got around to making mine, I was planning to use it as a tow tractor for my Pak36  :)

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2019, 01:07:56 PM »
They were used in North Africa. I have seen pictures of them towing pak36s and various small anti weapons rifles etc plus the Tamiya 1/48 scale has the option of towing the Goliath remote controlled mine
The Rubicon model has both the gear trailer and the Goliath trailer (and a Goliath).
« Last Edit: April 20, 2019, 01:09:57 PM by Ultravanillasmurf »

Offline Ultravanillasmurf

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Re: UVS WW2 WIP: SDKFZ-2 Kettenkrad 19/04/2019
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2019, 01:23:19 PM »
Yes, I was going to say, once I’ve got around to making mine, I was planning to use it as a tow tractor for my Pak36  :)
I wondered about that, I did find a photograph of  one towing a Pak 36. The problem is the crew (Wikipedia says a five man crew, Warlord has three in their packs - I do not have the Bolt Action list to hand).

A single 20mm Flak cannon would work as well.

 

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