THE LEAD PAINTERS LEAGUE 11 - THE RULES

[Captain Blood]

I think the best way to think about it is as 'separate models or figures'.

So a cannon and four crew is five models/figures and so a legal team.

But four men on horseback are still only four models, even though they might be comprised of 8 pieces to start with, because a mounted figure on horseback presents as a single piece.

In the case of your anvil, is the dwarf the 'driver', or is the anvil a model in its own right, and the dwarf a separate figure that happens to be standing on it?
Tricky.
I'd err on the side of caution and paint an extra dwarf or two if I were you, for the avoidance of doubt 

[AWu]

Ok
One more question before submitting photos

I am reading this part of the rules and it is unclear to me if printed backgrounds composed into image as background of the scene during taking photos?
 They are not specified as not allowed but are not listed as allowed either but rule suggest they might be not allowed

6. Photography Backgrounds

Your backdrop may be a single colour, a gradient, or a scenery setting including terrain pieces. Note that the backdrop must be in the photo from the start (i.e. you must photograph the figures in front of it). You may not digitally add or paint in a background image at a later point.

[Neldoreth]

Ok
One more question before submitting photos

I am reading this part of the rules and it is unclear to me if printed backgrounds composed into image as background of the scene during taking photos?
 They are not specified as not allowed but are not listed as allowed either but rule suggest they might be not allowed

I agree it isn't entirely clear, but I believe it means you may have one of the following backgrounds:

• A single colour
• A gradient
• A setting made with terrain pieces

I am presuming that you can combine the above as well, so you can have a terrain setting with a gradient as a backdrop behind that... But since that list doesn't include an image of scenery, or an image of a real-life scene, I don't believe you can have it.

Thanks
n

[AWu]

That was how I read it but I would like definite answer to that.

[Captain Blood]

It is a good point. It isn't completely clear at the moment, so I am going to take it up with the LPL moderator team and we will clarify the rules on that as quickly as possible.

[Dr Mathias]

It would be nice to have example photos, i.e. 'This is allowed' and 'This is not allowed'.

I was under the impression that printed 'backdrops' are not allowed, so as I understand it, this one would be 'illegal' as it has an image as the ultimate backdrop (even though the image was in the photo, not 'shopped' in):

[Neldoreth]

Nice image there Dr. Mathias!

thanks
n

[Captain Blood]

I have consulted with the Admin team, and will amend the rules as follows to make it completely clear:

6. Backgrounds

Your backdrop may be a single colour or gradient, or you may use physical terrain pieces to provide a scenic backdrop for your miniatures.
You may not use a photograph as a backdrop, nor any form of illustration or painting portraying hills, forest, desert, sea, sky etc.
Any terrain must be in the photo from the start (i.e. you must photograph the figures in front of it). You may not digitally add in a background image at a later point.

In other words, as stated above by Neldoreth.

Now, I have received one entry so far which does include some painted trees in the background. As this is not a photograph, and there is very little time left for the participant to remake the image, I am going to let that single entry stand. No complaints about that please.

But from here on in, all entries submitted from today onwards should please abide by this rules clarification.

[area23]

That'd surely be my picture! I won't do it again!  

I interpreted it as "Your backdrop may be [...] a scenery setting"
Glad you'll let it be as it took quite an effort to make that picture.

[Captain Blood]

No problem. I do appreciate there was some room for ambiguity in the phrase 'a scenery setting'. But now, I think it's clear 

[Mr Tough Guy]

I think technically one of my entries is also breaking the rules, I used a poster of a Galaxy as a backdrop for some spaceships. didn't really think about it, but I could probably retake the pic against a plain black background if I have to.

[Captain Blood]

I'll let that stand too, given that time is short. But if you want to resubmit, please do so.
As long as future entries follow the newly explained rule, we should be on solid ground.

[Nord]

I would have thought backdrops painted by the entrant would be a nice touch, surprised they are not allowed. Glad I didn't bother painting my Caledonian Forest watercolour masterpiece now. Ho hum. You see blue skies and clouds in so many pictures of minis - Wargames Illustrated, Perry Miniatures on their facebook page, even GW did it back in the early days. 

[Captain Blood]

Yes, I'm afraid it's not a perfect solution Paul, but it's one of these 'where do you draw the line?' issues. So for this time anyway, the ruling is 'no image backdrops at all' - only figures, models and terrain/scenery.

[Hammers]

Yes, I'm afraid it's not a perfect solution Paul, but it's one of these 'where do you draw the line?' issues. So for this time anyway, the ruling is 'no image backdrops at all' - only figures, models and terrain/scenery.

If you restrict the scene to things you would only see on the game board you are in the clear.