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Title: The Garden of Kama - Incoming!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 26, 2012, 11:33:05 AM
As one of my projects for 2012 I have started the "Garden of Kama", a sort of fantasy India, Tibet, Burma, Cambodia (and farther east.) The name comes from a book of poems that I saw profiled on the "Golden Age Comic Book Stories" blog.

http://goldenagecomicbookstories.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Garden%20of%20Kama

This illustration, in particular, I rather liked and am taking it as inspiration for this project:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OxlsWG7p7mw/TjdOGDvA2KI/AAAAAAABUa8/gUaHnNQbPUA/s1600/02_gardenkama_byamshaw_frontis.jpg

Andrew May is helping out with the sculpting and has been doing some Mara, which are demons. He has also got me hooked on Tibetan sacred art, which has some pretty funky (and gruesome) aspects.

I haven't thought this out in too much detail yet - though things are starting to coalesce...

http://lohwand.blogspot.com/search/label/Garden%20of%20Kama
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Mason on January 26, 2012, 12:06:50 PM
Sounds very interesting and very different to most settings!

Will be watching this with interest...
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Christian on January 26, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
YES!!!! Those sculpts are great! This looks very, very interesting. Will those Mara be available to the public?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Pentaro on January 26, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Great sculps, much more interesting than the usual western stuff.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: argsilverson on January 26, 2012, 01:01:10 PM
Very interesting!

I would also like to see in miniatures some of the dancing(?) ladies and the parrot flying couple, too.
nice sculp of the mara!
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: DeafNala on January 26, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
If the background material & the FINE sculpts by our own ubertalented Andrew are any indication, it looks like you face a VERY interesting project underway. I, for one, will follow your progress with keen interest.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Steve F on January 26, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
Nice.   Always good to see someone breaking new ground, and those are fine-looking sculpts.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Smith on January 26, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
VERY interesting. I'd love to get into some of this kind of gaming – they seem like a natural accompaniament to many things from weird Vietnam to sraight-out fantasy.

Would also love to see Penanggalan (Krasue or Ap in Thai), Naga and Rakshasa further down the line.

Let us know when the Mara are available to buy!
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Faber on January 26, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
very interesting project! Original idea. It will be interesting to see how it developes...  :)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: DonVoss on January 26, 2012, 01:45:26 PM
That looks very interesting to me. Great sculpts, and a very cool, innovative setting...

DV
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Bloodsbane on January 26, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
That is insanely cool. Awesome art and awesome start on the sculpts. The faces especially are excuisite!
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 26, 2012, 02:06:54 PM
VERY interesting. I'd love to get into some of this kind of gaming – they seem like a natural accompaniament to many things from weird Vietnam to sraight-out fantasy.

Would also love to see Penanggalan (Krasue or Ap in Thai), Naga and Rakshasa further down the line.

Let us know when the Mara are available to buy!

Will have to look up the Penanggalan - don't recognize that.

Yes to Naga and Rakshasa, though you realize that the latter are not really the "tigermen" as portrayed in D&D?

Also: Garuda, and others...

http://www.google.ca/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=600&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=garuda&oq=garuda&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2141l3110l0l4016l5l5l0l0l0l0l63l311l5l5l0
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: tomogui on January 26, 2012, 02:31:59 PM
Really exciting stuff! Tibetan/Indian myth is largely overlooked in gaming, and those Mara sculpts look utterly fantastic. Great for the older/weirder Buddhist Japanese deities too. Let us know when they're available.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Smith on January 26, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
Will have to look up the Penanggalan - don't recognize that.

(http://www.paranormal-encyclopedie.com/wiki/uploads/Articles/Penanggalan.jpg)

Stone Circle did a couple for Chinatown a ways back, but you can't get them for love nor money these days.

Yes to Naga and Rakshasa, though you realize that the latter are not really the "tigermen" as portrayed in D&D?

Most definitely!  :D
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Steve F on January 26, 2012, 03:20:59 PM
Stone Circle did a couple for Chinatown a ways back, but you can't get them for love nor money these days.

Gateshead Gaming should now have several, since I only ever painted one and have just sold off my unpainted lead mountain to them.

(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/SteveFlanaganUK/2012%20-%2001%20-%20Jan/119_1973.jpg)

It's from Malayan folklore. 
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: tomogui on January 26, 2012, 07:34:37 PM
The Okko miniature game also did a geisha-themed Penanggalan, which is a sweet sculpt:

(http://hazgaard.com/penaggolan/p1040469.jpg)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 27, 2012, 03:24:30 PM
YES!!!! Those sculpts are great! This looks very, very interesting. Will those Mara be available to the public?

Thanks, Christian (and the rest.)

Yes, the intent is to offer them for sale through the Tekumel Club. The angle I'm taking is that it is one of the possible planes of existence accessible through a Nexus gate.

Tekumel Club members would get their normal discount.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Andy H on January 27, 2012, 04:10:24 PM
Very much looking forward to what comes of this, especially if John Winters is on board.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 27, 2012, 06:40:22 PM
John may do some stuff for this range, though he is working on Tekumel figures at the moment.

http://thetekumelproject.blogspot.com/search/label/Lady%20Mr%C3%ADssa

Looks like Stephen May might do some stuff as well.

And Nick Genovese is doing some funky shield designs...

A question has come up that I hadn't thought about yet - how to base these?

Most of our Tekumel figures have thin integral bases like Eureka. What I am thinking is maybe pegs in the bottom of the feet would be better?

Comments?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Andrew May on January 30, 2012, 07:47:24 PM
Finished pics.
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/598/201201309.jpg)
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1567/2012013046.jpg)
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/187/2012013047.jpg)
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9923/2012013048.jpg)
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4126/2012013049.jpg)
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/1231/2012013050.jpg)
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2628/76651430.jpg)

Sorry for any perceived wonkiness, the blu-tac wasn't being particularly cooperative tonight!
I'm really pleased with how these have come out and how far my sculpting has come since I started taking it really seriously over the last 12months.
Theyre around 36-38mm tall (should be around actual size in the group shot depending on your monitor).
I hope you like them, I look forward to the next set for this project.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Mason on January 30, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
 :o :o :o

Wow!

These are fantastic, Andrew!
 :-* :-* :-*

I am going have to check out the tekumel project, because these would be perfect for some 'natives' for my forthcoming VSF campaign.
(The 'natives' in question being from another plane, the size difference should work out pretty well!)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Blue in vt on January 30, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
 :o :-* :o

They really do look amazing...and just fun to paint!

And I agree...your sculpting skills are really coming along nicely.

Cheers,

Blue
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: generulpoleaxe on January 30, 2012, 08:19:56 PM
Love the sculpting, absolutely fantastic bud :)

If the range so far has integral bases then I would stay with that, if people are really crying out for slotta tabs then you can always get some copies from the master mold, and swap the integral for a tab on the models that people are wanting with said tabs.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Faber on January 30, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
brilliant work mate :)
Really like them. And you are a really talented sculptor! I wish I could sculpt something like that. I think I would not do anything else but sculpting  lol
 
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: The Gray Ghost on January 30, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
Great stuff I'd be interested in buying some to.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 30, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
Love the sculpting, absolutely fantastic bud :)

If the range so far has integral bases then I would stay with that, if people are really crying out for slotta tabs then you can always get some copies from the master mold, and swap the integral for a tab on the models that people are wanting with said tabs.

For these we have decided to go with pegs on the bottom of the feet.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: fitterpete on January 31, 2012, 01:58:38 AM
First thing I thought of seeing theses greens is a Wargods of Aegyptus war band based off Indian gods.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 31, 2012, 02:05:26 AM
That might actually be doable. Next up are the "Daughters of Kama" which are seductive and deadly female demons. And several human factions. Heroes are planned for each faction along with gods and goddesses (or aspects thereof) such as Kali - as an obvious choice. And various mythical creatures: Garuda and Yali, for example. Naga will be a complete faction. And Rakshasa, though I don't know what they look like yet...

You'd have to come up with stats on your own though.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: aggro84 on January 31, 2012, 02:23:03 AM
Wow.  :-*

Very nice! You need a caster / distributor.

I have no idea what I'd use them for but they are gorgeous.

I've always been a fan of this style of Asian art.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: FramFramson on January 31, 2012, 03:40:08 AM
At some point you tekumel folk are really going to need to invest in a proper website or at least contract with a larger player - these figures are easily good enough for mainstream sales!
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: tnjrp on January 31, 2012, 06:12:30 AM
It's interesting to see a project like this go forward. Indian and South-East Asia are definitely under-represented in the fantasy miniature circuit. The sculpts so far look very good too.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: dijit on January 31, 2012, 08:04:42 AM
Some excellent scuplts there, that seem to grab the far eastern cultures very well. They'd be useful in all manner of different genres: fantasy, pulp, sci-fi, WWWII, etc.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on January 31, 2012, 08:56:54 AM
Very innovative and unusual. I like the sculpts, definitely something for our Vikotnik :)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Smith on January 31, 2012, 09:07:46 AM
Really like these. Especially with the promise of more to come!

Thanks also to those people who gave me leads on Penaggalan – I'll look into them.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on January 31, 2012, 09:23:36 AM
Great Sculpts - Good Luck with the whole project.

Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: NurgleHH on January 31, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
Very nice stuff. Something very special and new, I think. Maybe you should work out some stats for Songs of Blades and Heroes and stick them to the yahoo-group to support your good ideas.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 31, 2012, 12:59:22 PM
Very nice stuff. Something very special and new, I think. Maybe you should work out some stats for Songs of Blades and Heroes and stick them to the yahoo-group to support your good ideas.

Hmmm...I do have the PDF somewhere. I wonder if I can still find it? This is why I hate PDFs! and much prefer hard copy!

Actually, what I am doing is working on a 2HW game called "A Band of Joyous Heroes" that should work if I can get it right.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: sbrndf11 on January 31, 2012, 04:58:01 PM
Absolutely awesome. Should we just keep an eye out for these in the next Tekumel catalog or is there a better way to be notified when they are for sale?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 31, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
I'm chronicling the progress of the "Garden of Kama" on this gaming blog:

http://lohwand.blogspot.com/

But they will probably appear in future Tekumel Project catalogues as well. Not sure how long it will take to get them molded...
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: marianas_gamer on January 31, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
Sir Barnaby,
In your blog you mention the possibility of Burmese and Shan figures.  What era do you plan to model? Colonial? Thanks.
LB
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on January 31, 2012, 10:03:35 PM
Unfortunately, probably not. This is a fantasy thing at it's core so it will be inspired by some historical elements but I can't guarantee that the results will be usable for historical gaming. I'm also looking at the Khmer, Siamese and Cham for inspiration - based on sketches in "The Armies of Angkor", a book from Orchid Press. Also, there are two books on Tibetan Sacred Art which are being used along with Indian and East-Asian temple imagery.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: vikotnik on February 01, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
Very innovative and unusual. I like the sculpts, definitely something for our Vikotnik :)

Right you are, Prof.!

I really am 'on fire' with this brilliant stuff! All the more as it will NOT be historically-themed.

Sir Barnaby, please let us know as soon as they are available!
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: mweaver on February 01, 2012, 10:49:27 PM
The Garden is a very interesting project - looking forward to seeing it develop.

Nice sculpts, Andrew!

-Michael
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Dr. The Viking on February 13, 2012, 02:47:20 PM
Wow!

Those sculpts would be perfect for a Mastodon game!

LOVELY!
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - some Background added
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on February 13, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
The North
To the north lies the mighty Shan Shan [name may change] mountains and the Terrifying Plateau where dwells Mara, the Lord of Evil and his demonic minions, the chief among whom are known simply as the Mara and the Daughters of Mara. There also lies the Kingdom of Jong Yu [name may change], the last realm of man in the North.

The East
From the plateau several rivers descend onto the lush central plains. To the east, the Pirya river [name may change] flows into a series of large lakes, of which the Tara Ji, is the largest; the others being the Gong Hu, Tara Ki and Gong My. [all these names subject to change]

Here lie the amazon realms of Aoa and Ologog, and the great Kingdom of Kamjola. From the lakes the river flows into a wide delta, the Mu Jan [name may change], at the mouth of which is the island Kingdom of Kana Ko. The river Xa [name may change] flows into the Mu Jan from the north-east forming the border of the realm of the Priest-Kings of Champakou, also called the "Land of the Black Lotus."

During the wet season these rivers overflow their banks, inundating much of the land from the lakes all the way to the delta. As a result all these lands have large inland navies of war canoes and galleys.

The West
Two other large rivers descend from the plateau, flowing west and south. The Xir takes the westernmost path, meandering through dry hills and the Desert of Xi [name may change] before emptying into the Bay of Xang [name may change]. This river forms the western border of the Kingdom of Panam. [name may change]

The river Koranga [name may change] flows more directly south across the central plains before winding its way through the highlands and forests of the South; it is the longest river, skirting the Padmanak Plateau [name may change] before reaching the sea almost at the southernmost head of land. There are many small kingdoms and principalities along the banks of this river and along the seacoast it runs parallel to for most of it's length. The mighty Kingdom of Lohwand rules the plateau and the seacoast that runs along its eastern edge.

The South
The Koranga finally empties into the sea after flowing through the great southern forests. Many small kingdoms continually war for control of these lush landscapes and the fertile island of Kasyan La [name may change] which lies merely 100km off the coast.

Notes:
1) As noted, many of the names are subject to change, having mostly been made up on the fly as I typed this out. Those shown in bold are the primary factions;
2) I have changed some of the countries from my first draft. Aoa and Ologog are both Amazon nations – bitter rivals who are none too friendly with their other neighbours either;
3) The Kingdom of Kamjola has become the “Khmer inspired” faction;
4) For the Kingdom of Jong Yu I am intending to use the Perry Miniatures Koreans, or at least the ones in the cool heavy armour!
5) For the Kingdom of Panam I will be using a combination of Games Workshop Easterlings and Warriors of Khand;
6) Champakou has been developed slightly, to be ruled by the “priest-kings” rather than a warrior dynasty as the balance of the kingdoms are. I am styling it as the “Land of the Black Lotus” because of their “lotus patterned” headdresses, inspired by the Cham;
7) There are kingdoms of Naga and Rakshasa interspersed between these human nations. There are Rakshasa who fight for the human nations as well as those who oppose them;
8) There are also tribes of Hanuman, monkey-men, living in the forest. In fact, many types of beast men exist;
9) There are wild tribes of humans living in the forests, mountains and desert as well.

Howard
http://lohwand.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - some background info added
Post by: Dr. The Viking on February 13, 2012, 05:10:29 PM
Where to buy!?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - some background info added
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on February 13, 2012, 05:46:20 PM
This is a very interesting and inspirational subject.  It makes a real change from the usual NW European mythological milieu from which much of our fantasy imagery is drawn, which is nice. 
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - some background info added
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on February 13, 2012, 05:46:44 PM
Nothing available yet. We are currently looking into getting the Mara molded and cast up - will be sold as an offshoot of the Tekumel Club.

http://thetekumelclub.blogspot.com/

http://thetekumelproject.blogspot.com/

Howard Fielding
The Tekumel Project

green27@sympatico.ca
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - The Kshatriya - the Warrior Caste
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on February 15, 2012, 11:13:15 AM
The Kshatriya - the Warrior Caste

The Kshatriya are the warrior caste in the Garden of Kama, as they are in India of old. They are the ruling caste of all nations except Champakou, the Land of the Black Lotus, where the priest-kings hold sway, raising the priestly caste above that of the warrior.

There are several recognized dynasties within the Kshatriya, as the various clans claim descent from different deities or ancient heroes. The four most prominent are:

1) The Suryavanshi or Solar dynasty, claiming descent from Surya, the God of the Sun;

2) The Chandravanshi or Lunar dynasty, claiming descent from Chandra, the God of the Moon;

3) The Agnivanshi or Fire dynasty, claiming descent from Agni, the God of Fire;

4) The Nāgvanshi or Serpent dynasty is a sub-clan of Suryavanshi kshatriyas. These two dynasties are often friendly towards each other.

There are also several "lost" dynasties, so-called because they are rarely found or have thought to have died out completely. These are the dynasties of Water, Air, Earth and Darkness. The Water dynasty still exists in isolated pockets along the coasts or the southern islands. It is said that the only Air dynasty left are in the mountains to the north and on the Terrible Plateau. The Earth dynasty is said to exist in deep forests and the remote parts of the western desert. The Darkness dynasty is held by many to be extinct.

http://lohwand.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - The Kshatriya - the Warrior Caste
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on February 22, 2012, 05:31:01 PM
A Daughter of Mara WIP pic sent to me by Andrew. Taken with a phone i gather, so low quality pic...

http://lohwand.blogspot.com/2012/02/daughter-of-mara-wip.html

I wonder what she's holding in her hand?  ;)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: the Daughters of Mara
Post by: tnjrp on February 23, 2012, 06:47:48 AM
She has hands? I wasn't lookin...

Anyhow. A little bit of silliness I stumbled upon that might point at some inspirational sources:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18814_the-7-most-ridiculous-ghost-stories-from-around-world.html

I'm sadly uninfromed about Malaysian folklore but they seem to believe some seriously weird things go bump in the night...
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 06, 2012, 11:40:19 AM
I've commissioned some galleys based on the illustrations in "The Armies of Angkor" from whence some of the inspiration for the Garden of Kama is being drawn. Some Work-in-progress pics on the blog...

http://lohwand.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 12, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
Updated WIP Pic:

http://lohwand.blogspot.com/2012/03/khmer-galley-wip.html
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: gharak on March 21, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
Really interesting project and some nice sculpts so far. Hope there's some available soon as these would be great for my planned India Pulp adventures.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 22, 2012, 10:24:48 AM
The masters are on there way to me! And the basic galley is done and should also be sailing on it's way very shortly.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on March 22, 2012, 02:20:58 PM
The Hull Blank or basic Galley was posted to you earlier today.

Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 22, 2012, 02:48:48 PM
Yay!  :)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - WIP: Khmer Galleys
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 26, 2012, 06:25:54 PM
Received the Mara sculpts today - yay! Now to make a decision re casting: resin or metal...

I forgot to add:

They are sweet!  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara received!
Post by: tnjrp on March 27, 2012, 07:32:11 AM
If you can get them come out as good as Black Scorpion new plastic resin stuff then I'm all for resin. Have no idea who they did the casting with tho.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on May 30, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
(http://www.paranormal-encyclopedie.com/wiki/uploads/Articles/Penanggalan.jpg)

Stone Circle did a couple for Chinatown a ways back, but you can't get them for love nor money these days.

Most definitely!  :D

Reaper just came out with one...

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Dark%20Heaven%20Legends/latest/03618

(http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03618_p_1_mj.jpg)
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Reaper "Penanggalan" out...
Post by: LeadAsbestos on May 30, 2012, 04:58:16 PM
Nice! Will add that one to these:
(http://displacedminiatures.com/images/1.img.1287328059PA170265.JPG)

Once in a blue moon they still pop up for sale...
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on August 10, 2012, 02:21:46 AM
The Mara will be going off for mold-making and casting tomorrow.

And the galleys and boats have been molded and now just need to go to the sculptor for some funky Khmer designs...

http://lohwand.blogspot.ca/2012/08/war-galleys-and-canoessome-progress.html
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara off to Casters!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on August 10, 2012, 10:23:24 PM
Received the boat models today and immediately sent them on their way to Andrew for customizing.

If all goes well there will be "plain jane" versions plus modular versions with several variant prow and stern pieces.

Meant for fighting on Cambodia's inland waterways the galley has short oars (compared to a Greek galley) and the model is only 12" long. The Canoe is 8" long. This means they should fit comfortably on the average tabletop.

Some of the galleys had Makara heads carved into the bow and the horns protruded almost like rams. The usual tactics though were showering the enemy with missiles (from bows and javelins) and grappling the opponent's vessel (with hook and line) and then boarding.

Artist's impressions can be seen on the blog:

http://lohwand.blogspot.ca/2012/03/khmer-galleys.html
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on August 11, 2012, 08:21:02 PM
Alright! How convertible might they be to something like these admittedly stylised designs from a Dong-Son Culture bronze drum?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8772408@N06/3729262099

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXmaOkKaK7woi03perp_fJXnvljZXFS_gRvI7hyahS3CeA9VqRhA)

Or see Figure 3.B. in this paper:
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/shipprehistory.pdf
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on August 11, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
Hmm... you'd first have to figure out what you actually want them to look like. Those stylized are not very useful. In basic form I think they will work.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on August 12, 2012, 01:41:54 PM
Most of the detail would seem to be warriors in elaborate headdresses. However, one can make out a sternpost with a sort of curlicue, and a curved stempost. Towards the stern, there is a small platform above a bronze drum.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on August 12, 2012, 03:15:52 PM
"Stempost?"  Where does that go?

The pics looked like they might have two sternposts - or the was something wierd going on anyway. I wondered if they might be catamarans?

The Khmer stuff has Naga (or Garuda?) tails for sternposts and Naga or (Garuda?) heads for the prows. The hulls also have Makara carved into the sides.

I have a basic "plain vanilla" mold for both the canoe and galley, and if the plan works there will be plain versions of each of the three parts. So, in theory, other variants could be made.

Better concepts would have to be determined, however.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on August 12, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
A stempost is at the opposite end to the sternpost.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on August 12, 2012, 05:13:06 PM
Oh - so at "the Prow". Got it.

Anyway, do you see what I mean? In those sketches there appear to be two possible things that [may] be stern posts...

Note I am not adverse to doing other variants. Lets see how these turn out first. What would the crews look like?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on August 12, 2012, 05:44:53 PM
Yes, catamarans might be one possibility. Another interpretation of the prow is that there is a more or less vertical stempost and a close to horizontal spur of some kind.

Re. the stern (and the rest), it can be hard to distinguish between the crew (and their ornate costume) and actual parts of the boat!

Unfortunately, the pictures that I linked-to may not be the best or most representative sample.

I have yet to find a modern reconstruction, graphic or physical, of Dong-Son boats, but suspect that they were part of the long local tradition of dug-out vessels.

The Roskilde Ship Museum in Denmark has published some informative books on near-contemporary Southeast Asian dug-outs, and there is some incidental coverage on Victorian-era dug-outs in a couple of the Foundry books.

Re. costume, there are some suspect reconstructions (worn by models) online, but I have not yet come across much in the archaeological literature (must re-check, though). However, besides bronze drum engravings, there are lots of bronze figurative sculptures from the neighbouring Dian and Kunming cultures.
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Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Galleys on their way!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on September 21, 2012, 01:52:44 AM
Commissioned the galley oarsmen and rowers for the canoes today. Basic figures - port and starboard versions and the steersman. Also the fighting crew and Amazon versions of the same poses. 22 figures in all.

They will be in simple Khmer costume. These will later be used to make variants, including the Cham, all taken from the Armies of Angkor book.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Crews commissioned!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on February 12, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
News Flash - the master mold for the Mara has been completed. Now I have to work out how to do the production molds...

The crews for the galleys and canoes have been derailed slightly by Kickstarter - that is, the sculptor is doing stuff for other people.  :(

Hopefully, later this Spring/Summer they'll get done...
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - small update on progress...
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 26, 2013, 02:44:44 PM
Small update...

I hope to be able to push on with the galley prows and sterns (and hulls) soon - that is, get finish getting the sculpting done on the fancy bits: Garuda, Makara and Naga heads and tails, that sort of thing. I've got a bunch more blanks coming from JTFM. Some of the final boats will be one piece items but I am hoping to offer a large variety of options with different prow, hull and stern designs that will all be mix-and-match.

I've also made the seat template for the galleys. This will be a resin insert that the rowers will sit on with a gangway down the middle.

I have a plan for doing the screens shielding the rowers but I haven't tried it yet. It promises to be very fiddly so it may not actually work...

I'm also moving forward on the crew. I've asked David Soderquist of Bronze Age to work on some as my original sculptor is too busy.

Regards,

Howard
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - small update on progress...
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on March 26, 2013, 03:09:09 PM
I look forward to seeing the boats finished.

Tony
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - small update on progress...
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 27, 2013, 02:06:43 AM
A few pics up on the blog...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EE1nlPbADJo/UVIeiT3899I/AAAAAAAABNQ/e5Oepumb0bc/s1600/DSCF0220.JPG)


Here showing the rowers benches and gangway piece. With one of our Swamp Folk giving the gangway a try. :-)

http://lohwand.blogspot.ca/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - small update on progress...
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on March 27, 2013, 03:50:33 AM
Nice stuff! How long is that galley model?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - small update on progress...
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 27, 2013, 10:37:41 AM
The galley is 11.5" long (192mm give or take) - and 2" swide (50mm). The gangway is 12mm wide.

The Swamp Folk figure stands 31mm to top of crest. Not counting the thin base.

The plan is for the screens to extend approx. 6mm above the gunwhales with a slight gap at the bottom to allow for the oars to stick out.

As far as rowers go, several different crews are planned. The basic Khmer crew, plus their main opponents: the Cham and an Amazon crew for the Garden of Kama setting. I would also like to have Tékumel related crews - Tsolei islanders perhaps? (I am intending to re-purpose the basic model as a Lorun war canoe as well.)

The intent is to do two variant oarsmen figures (or paddlers for the small canoe) for each side.

Howard

http://thetekumelproject.blogspot.ca/
http://lohwand.blogspot.ca/
http://heroesoftheage.blogspot.ca/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - small update on progress...
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 27, 2013, 03:38:52 PM
The Mara (Tibetan Demons) have been molded and I've just put in an order for 50 sets. Yay!

See Andrews earlier post in this thread forpics of the greens...

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37287.msg438533#msg438533
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara ordered!
Post by: Njall on April 02, 2013, 08:49:16 PM
Silly question : what kind of rules do you use with those models ?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara ordered!
Post by: B. Basiliscus on April 02, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
oh gosh, these are beautiful. I had NO idea how I missed them. 8O
I only wish Tekumel were easier to order from, and that I didn't have to interact with another person to do it...
They need a store something fierce.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara ordered!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on April 02, 2013, 10:18:11 PM
Silly question : what kind of rules do you use with those models ?

Maybe those new 7Voyages by Crooked Dice? I just bought them but haven't really checked them out yet. Definitely something that allowed for heroic combat.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara ordered!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on April 02, 2013, 10:19:31 PM
oh gosh, these are beautiful. I had NO idea how I missed them. 8O
I only wish Tekumel were easier to order from, and that I didn't have to interact with another person to do it...
They need a store something fierce.

Yeah, some improvements could be made. I can't afford too much in the way of web-site and software costs, however.  :-[
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on May 02, 2013, 05:54:03 PM
The Mara are now available. I'll try and post piccies of the castings this evening or tomorrow...

The set comprises 6 x bodies, 6 x heads, and an assortment of left and right hands - some open, some with weapons. IIRC there are 5-6 sprues of weapons and hands, with different amounts on each sprue. Price: $30  for the set.

Tekumel Club discounts apply. A Molkar (ie Colonel in Tsolyani) receives a 40% discount on all our products. The cost is $50 per year.

Best Regards,

Howard Fielding
The Tekumel Project
http://thetekumelproject.blogspot.ca/
http://thetekumelclub.blogspot.ca/
http://heroesoftheage.blogspot.ca/
http://lohwand.blogspot.ca/
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House! (May 2nd)
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on May 05, 2013, 06:04:17 PM
Through which of your blogs can the Mara prices be discovered and the Mara be purchased?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House! (May 2nd)
Post by: OLeary on May 06, 2013, 06:09:41 AM
I looked at the greens and those are phenomenal. Have you considered looking into an Amazon storefront. I don't know what the costs on that are, but Stonehaven Miniatures is doing it and they are just starting out. Really easy to navigate through and to purchase.

These are so nice and if you put a link to your membership site to one place, I think loads of people would buy these.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House! (May 2nd)
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on May 06, 2013, 01:11:09 PM
Through which of your blogs can the Mara prices be discovered and the Mara be purchased?

Well, the price was mentioned in the post you replied to. ($30 for the set.)

You purchase by emailing me...green27 -at- sympatico -dot- ca

I am looking into a website. I do still have to take proper pictures, and I should note they are currently w/o bases - they have pegs to allow you to select your own scenic bases to mount them on. Perhaps Secret Weapon's Bone Field or Corpse Field bases would be appropriate?
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House! (May 2nd)
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on May 26, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
Not Dead Yet.

Just to let you know, the Garden of Kama is still a "go", just very, very slowly it seems...

Federico Genovese and David Soderquist are going to detail the boats. I've even made a bit of a breakthrough regarding the wicker screens that screen the rowers. And Federico has finished 10 figures. All female. I'll wait until he has some males done before I show them off. He has to do Khmer and Cham. These are the Aoan and Ologogi Amazon factions.

And - for the record - I didn't ask him to start with the females, that is where he wanted to start.  :) Next he will have to do 10 Khmer fighters, and then 10 Cham. And then rowers for the galleys and paddlers for the canoes. For all factions.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House! (May 2nd)
Post by: von Lucky on May 26, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Good news... I'm watching with interest.
Title: Re: The Garden of Kama - Mara in the House! (May 2nd)
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on June 09, 2014, 01:13:56 PM
Looks like the Amazons are going for molding sooner than expected. I received 4 variant Shen shields from the Tekumel range and the 10 Amazons last week. I don't want to do a master mold with just the shields on it so i guess if I'm going to get them done in a timely fashion I can't hold back the Amazons.  :)

It's not that I don't want to release them it just seems that all our figures seem to be scantily clad women. I swear that is not intentional - I mean they were intended to be scantily clad (we'll do slightly more clad versions from the masters later) - but I had hoped to intersperse the releases with more armoured up figures. Indeed, I sent one sculptor a list of 12 legions and the one he chose to start with was the scantily clad female legion...I guess the uniform was easier. Ditto with the Khmer...male Khmer and Cham figures (and maybe Siamese Mercs) are to follow, but by chance the females were done first.  8)

Mind you, we had loads of fully armoured females in our Yan Koryani and Tsolyani legions already (the original Eureka range) but they never sold as well as the less well armoured figures despite people some moaning about the alleged lack of such figures. Part of the problem is that a fully armoured female often just looks like a slighter version of the male figures. (Just liek in the RW. Go Figure).   lol