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Offline Ragnar

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Livery flag and badge help
« on: May 14, 2024, 07:23:48 AM »
Hi all, does anyone have information on the livery flag and badge for Sir William Beaumont of Stowe Bardolf, 2nd Viscount Beaumont d.1507?

Failing any hard evidence, any best guesses?

Edit: I've checked my Freezywater books but can't find the answer in them
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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2024, 09:14:08 AM »
The Vexillia livery colours database lists Sir William as Azure (White):
https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/09/war-of-roses-livery-colours-database.html

The Graham Turner painting "Standoff at St Michaels mount" depicts Sir William with retainers (3 men to left), with one displaying what appears to be a grey elephant and howdah livery badge.

https://www.studio88.co.uk/acatalog/standoff_at_st_michaels_mount_1474.html

This memorial brass also shows an elephant and howdah at his feet. Which is where (I assume) Graham took the inspiration from:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Beaumont_gri_33125008701571_0134.jpg
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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2024, 09:19:29 AM »
His livery is in my online livery database and he's in three Freezywater books (Heraldic Banners, p20; Standards & Badges, p24, Heraldic Banners H_R, p25).

Hope that helps.

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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2024, 10:37:31 AM »
Awesome, thanks guys.


Offline Hunlion

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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2024, 12:02:49 PM »
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Offline Hunlion

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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2024, 12:08:10 PM »
I sent the image here...  https://www.facebook.com/groups/897063627788855

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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2024, 08:29:51 PM »
Thanks Hunlion

Offline Sandinista

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Re: Livery flag and badge help
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2024, 12:19:28 AM »
His great grand father was John Beaumont, 4th Baron Beaumont. The wikipedia page has an image of is garter stall plate the crest and decorations in blue and white could be a basis for a livery and badges
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