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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Ultravanillasmurf on July 24, 2023, 10:05:55 PM
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The last plastic release for Oathmark was Goblin Slaves which if I remember correctly was November 2022.
If I also remember correctly we as a group had identified (what is now) one example of unused putative box art (human militia).
I can also understand that Our Gracious Host might have good commercial reasons not to advertise their intentions.
So:
a) will there be any future plastic releases?
b) (and unleash the dogs of froth) what would we like?
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Yes, should be coming. Sculptor has confirmed on Facebook that he is working on upcoming kits. It does feel like North Star maybe slowed down plastc releases a little bit, but they are up to three games with plastic kits now plus Silver Bayonette competing for sculptor time.
So, of the top of my head, elves need two kits, humans two as well, and orcs need their heavy infantry. Goblins and dwarves are done. Beyond that I think I saw Nick mention plastic ogres but who knows? Personally I am impatiently waiting for the orc heavy infantry kit, and quite keen to see how the human heavy infantry turn out as well.
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I am a big fan of the North Star Oathmark plastic kits and definitely hope to see more. Just as I like the Frostgrave and Stargrave plastic kits. They all go so well together. Oathmark plastics have been replacing my GW Middle Earth figures for awhile now.
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North Star has done a fantastic job with plastic Oathmark kits - enormously kitbashable and really useful for so many different periods. Really hope to see more.
Can't help but feel Oathmark the ruleset has died a bit as the creator departed the game early in its life cycle. A shame, as it had potential for sure.
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But did he?
There are currently 3 expansions to the game available, with the last having been published in 2021, a mere two years ago.
But with all the other titles/ranges he's been working on, I can imagine Oathmark has been pushed down the queu a bit. Especially since titles like Frostgrave are way more popular. Also, if I understand correctly, the author is more of a roleplayer than a wargamer, and that has basically always been his angle. Also; he does have an ezine with extra rules for all of his games, including Oathmark.
So I'd be confident that there will be new content. Eventually...
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But did he?
There are currently 3 expansions to the game available, with the last having been published in 2021, a mere two years ago.
But with all the other titles/ranges he's been working on, I can imagine Oathmark has been pushed down the queu a bit. Especially since titles like Frostgrave are way more popular. Also, if I understand correctly, the author is more of a roleplayer than a wargamer, and that has basically always been his angle. Also; he does have an ezine with extra rules for all of his games, including Oathmark.
So I'd be confident that there will be new content. Eventually...
Sadly he's been pretty open on Facebook about the system now being in Osprey's hands, and for them to progress as/if they see fit.
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Ah, that explains that then, as I don't Facebook ::)
And it stands to reason that Osprey will capitalize on those titles that do best. So Oathmark probably is on the backburner...
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Hopefully the Oathmark figures continue to do well for North Star, whatever game we use them for.
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Admittedly I spend more time assembling Oathmark/Frostgrave kits than actually painting them (they are great fun for Oathmark/Dragon Rampart as well as Frostgrave/Five Leagues armies/war bands/opponents).
I am pleased to hear that the sculptor is still working on items for the range, hopefully this thread has reminded us (and North Star) that this is a range which we would like to see continue to grow.
The author was contracted for the rules and the three supplements.
He delivered most of the things that are required for a rule set (I am sure we all have "obviously important "and "why are they not in the rules" things).
What prompted my question was my attempt at populating the Ice-Heart Court lists from Five Leagues from the Borderlands where the unarmoured, light and medium armoured fey are covered by the existing Oathmark Elves. Heavy (for an elven value of heavy) armour is the only part of the list to fill (Goblins are the only non-Oathmark/Frostgrave figure in that list as the ShieldWolf ones match the Goblin description better).
So on a personal note, Elven Heavy infantry is top of my wish list (you have seen my converted Elven cavalry, and Human Heavy and light infantry can be covered by other ranges).
It is a pity that Spiral Arms' fantasy artillery kickstarter choked so very early on (if anyone is thinking of doing artillery, a more "realistic" and generic look would be good, together with arms for the associated combatants).
So keep posting what you are doing with the Oathmark figures, and only some mild wishlisting ^__^.
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I think if you ignore the Oathmark part of it, they're still rather good generic fantasy plastic kits --- something that is pretty sparse in the gaming community, particularly the low-fantasy space.
I don't play Oathmark, but even I have several boxes of their miniatures I use for other games, both wargames and skirmish wargames, etc.
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So, from my table the Oathmark demihuman models are some of the best in production at the moment. I have 2024 earmarked for a big Lion/Dragon Rampant project where I use the Footsore Baron's War models for two historic human warbands, but have the Oathmark plastic demihuman units on hand to flex the games into Dragon Rampant. I have all the Footsore metals and was waiting on getting the Oathmark plastics and metals next year...but this thread has me thinking I should get them sooner rather than later...
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Well Jack, I would suggest getting the boxes soon - if there are sales it could persuade North Star to persist with/expand the range.
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I think if you ignore the Oathmark part of it, they're still rather good generic fantasy plastic kits --- something that is pretty sparse in the gaming community, particularly the low-fantasy space.
This, for me, is the key thing. They're great miniatures and endlessly kitbashable.
I've played Oathmark two or three times, but never with Oathmark miniatures. On the other hand, I've used Oathmark miniatures in HOTT, Hobgoblin and Kings of War - and in D&D, RuneQuest and The Fantasy Trip.
Also, does a relatively complete wargame need new rules or books to keep it going? I'd have thought that further kits would be the thing most likely to keep Oathmark (the game) alive.
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Not to derail the thread, but the "supported game" argument is a whole thread in its own. I do understand a company not "completing" a line of models which would make playing the game easier - but I've never given a shart about a game being "supported".
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Also, does a relatively complete wargame need new rules or books to keep it going? I'd have thought that further kits would be the thing most likely to keep Oathmark (the game) alive.
You make a very good point.
However, Oathmark has two parents - Osprey for the rules and North Star for the figures. Though there is an income from the figure line, Osprey is a book publisher so their interest is likely to be new book sales.
If they withdraw their support, then North Star would not have the "Oathmark" name to hang on the figures and the market for generic fantasy figures is crowded and limited.
Now how many people buy the figures for Oathmark rather than for other games is not known to me, but the brand has a value because you are buying a range of figures that are a known quantity. There might not be the impetus for more plastic figures without that branding.
Ghost Archipelago is an example of a useful range of figures (I am still finding uses for the Sailors) that did not continue after the books ended. I was hoping for a generic plastic set of the Ancients style figures for Cities of Bronze.
There is also the marketing effect of a new book - if written well it prompts new purchases, not only of any new supporting figures but of the original books.
A rule set that is out of print is not attractive to new players and without the influx of new players a game will die.
How many people are playing sixth edition (it was on the way out when seventh edition came out - it is such a long time ago, I cannot even remember the name of the WRG rule set).
The existing sprues are branded Oathmark, and if the Osprey/North Star arrangement on this range was to (even amicably) cease there would be an effect.
For an example of another (more extreme) example of this, look at The Walking Dead: All Out War. When that licence was mutually dissolved, the figures were withdrawn from sale.
Now there could be a reversion clause, the figures reverting to North Star, there would be a cost in altering the moulds which might undermine their viability, and adding any additional plastic figures to their new "generic not-Oathmark" range.
Now I am definitely not suggesting the "subscription" model as used by a number of other companies (even if it does fund new models) but I would buy a second edition if that contained the key rule additions from the three supplements plus new rules for buildings. But only after a suitable period of time.
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...does a relatively complete wargame need new rules or books to keep it going?
Not to derail the thread, but the "supported game" argument is a whole thread in its own. I do understand a company not "completing" a line of models which would make playing the game easier - but I've never given a shart about a game being "supported".
Basically this...
I've been on a bit of nostalgia trip lately with 2nd ed 40K, and I love the fact that it's 'done', in the sense that there will not be any more additions. No need to fear that there will be a new edition that you 'have' to get in order to play, or get this or that expansion; just a fixed set of rules that is complete and ready to play, warts and all. And the same goes for other legacy systems, such as Warzone, 1999, Confrontation and many more.
They're like the Latin or Visual Basic of the gaming world. They're 'dead', but fully functional as they are. And the way you write them down is up to you; a quill, fountain pen, typewriter, PC or smart phone. Same with closed/finished/abandoned rulesets: play them as is, with any scale and/or miniatures you fancy... :D
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Well I'm assuming it was an end of licensing thing that meant the IHMN figures (North Star and Osprey) have now been 'rebranded' as North Star Steampunk. So I wouldn't assume that if the Oathmark license/agreement does end it wouldn't mean the figures disappear, that seems like a pretty rubbish deal given the amount of investment needed to create plastic kits in the first place.
Similarly, I'm not sure how much weight the Oathmark brand does have, given that by all appearances it doesn't seem to have been as popular a set of rules as Frostgrave for example. I suspect they could be repackaged pretty effectively as a generic, quite comprehensive, range of great plastic wargaming figures.
Saying that, what do I know.
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I really hope we get full plastic undead range. Loving the bronze age theme, and the Oathmark skeletons are my favourite on the market (I own pretty much everything for undead starting with Warhammer 4th edition). Plastic chariots in the style of Oathbreakers artwork would be marvelous :o
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Well, it seems there will be elf cavalry late November.
https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2023/10/northstar-miniatures-plastic-oathmark.html (https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2023/10/northstar-miniatures-plastic-oathmark.html)
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Or December
https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=257&cat=801&page=1 (https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=257&cat=801&page=1)
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The pre-orders will end 27th November, and we'll ship ASAP after that which might run into early December.
TBH, if we can ship out before the pre-release end date, we will do.
Cheers
Nick
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The pre-orders will end 27th November, and we'll ship ASAP after that which might run into early December.
TBH, if we can ship out before the pre-release end date, we will do.
Cheers
Nick
Excellent.
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Just noticed this (from a post in the Gothic Horror section https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=143152.msg1828143#msg1828143 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=143152.msg1828143#msg1828143))
Oathmark
I’m not allowed to say much about this, but there are ongoing discussions…
https://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.com/2023/10/what-ive-been-working-on.html (https://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.com/2023/10/what-ive-been-working-on.html)
So hopeful for more stuff (admittedly it is not as though I not enough stuff to build, base, paint already - such as the Elf cavalry I just ordered...).
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Just noticed this (from a post in the Gothic Horror section https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=143152.msg1828143#msg1828143 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=143152.msg1828143#msg1828143))https://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.com/2023/10/what-ive-been-working-on.html (https://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.com/2023/10/what-ive-been-working-on.html)
So hopeful for more stuff (admittedly it is not as though I not enough stuff to build, base, paint already - such as the Elf cavalry I just ordered...).
I came back to this thread to post exactly this. Intriguing!
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Wargames News and Terrain has a preview of the forthcoming Human Light Infantry.
This is going to be a bumper year for Oathmark. We plan to release at least three new Plastic box sets, the Human Militia/ Rangers, the Orc Heavy Infantry and the Elf Heavy Infantry. All three will come with metal characters as normal.
https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2024/01/northstar-miniatures-new-plastic.html (https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2024/01/northstar-miniatures-new-plastic.html)
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The human militia/rangers were previewed in the Northstar Newsletter email. Really keen to see pics of the Orc and Elf heavy infantry. Any one know when pics of these will be available?