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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: janner on September 01, 2013, 12:17:25 PM
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What with the Army Painter challenge leading me to dust off some Imperial Germans, I thought it timely to show off the rest of the force :D
August's efforts:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_1155_zps6cf53f88.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_1155_zps6cf53f88.jpg.html)
The Infantry represent 1st Grenadier Regiment "Crown Prince" (1st East Prussian) (Grenadier-Regiment Kronprinz (1. Ostpreußisches) Nr. 1) with the cavalry based on 8th Uhlan Regiment "Count zu Dohna" (East Prussian) (Ulanen-Regiment Graf zu Dohna (Ostpreußisches) Nr. 8), both of which formed part of the 1st Division on the eastern front in 1914.
Battalion HQ:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_1110_zpsa258eb9b.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_1110_zpsa258eb9b.jpg.html)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/DSCF0598.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/DSCF0598.jpg.html)
Firing Line:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/DSCF0599.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/DSCF0599.jpg.html)
Uhlans
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/DSCF0602.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/DSCF0602.jpg.html)
The Opposition!
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/DSCF0644.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/DSCF0644.jpg.html)
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Third picture down.
Some matching "plugs" to fill in the holes when deployed/casualty (like for Litko movement trays) and those stands are near perfect.
Outstanding work!
Gracias,
Glenn
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Third picture down.
Some matching "plugs" to fill in the holes when deployed/casualty (like for Litko movement trays) and those stands are near perfect.
Outstanding work!
Gracias,
Glenn
Cool idea :D
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Lovely stuff! 8)
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Great work! Those early war minis are very cool.
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very very nice!
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Fantastic 8) :-*
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Comfortably in time this month with an officer and twelve man platoon:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_1189_zps0b0860a4.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_1189_zps0b0860a4.jpg.html)
They'll be off for varnishing once the PVA holding the grass in place is dry :)
Next up, another fourteen grenadiers...
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Like the command base 8)
Not too keen on the carpet hills though ;)
cheers
James
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I had to hide the body somehow :o
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Great stuff!
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Very nice, What rules you using?
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The Great War by the now defunct Wargames Historical
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Wich range did you use for the russian ?
Tsuba miniatures ?
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The Russians are from Brigade Games,
http://www.brigadegames.com/WW1--Russia_c_182.html (http://www.brigadegames.com/WW1--Russia_c_182.html)
I love the Tsuba ones, but have enough Russian infantry for now :D
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Yes,
I love the tsuba too.
I will make some games with them if I could...
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Next batch of sixteen grenadiers:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_1295_zpse730bf8d.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_1295_zpse730bf8d.jpg.html)
Only fourteen more of these and then it's the HMGs etc :D
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Coming along nicely.
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So the first battalion is now based and ready for action along with two MGs and Regimental HQ:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2109_zpsf98c4527.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2109_zpsf98c4527.jpg.html)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2107_zpsbc6732e0.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2107_zpsbc6732e0.jpg.html)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2103_zps2553968e.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2103_zps2553968e.jpg.html)
I hope to have cracked the second battalion and brigade cavalry squadron shortly :D
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Coming along nicely mate :D
I think a group shot is in order soon ;)
cheers
James
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Most certainly - once the second battalion and cavalry are based :)
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Grand stuff old chap.
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Looking really good there! Keep at it!
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what an overwhelming army!
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Four more done, two for 1st Grenadiers and two for 41st Infantry :)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2138_zps4d12cad4.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2138_zps4d12cad4.jpg.html)
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Beautiful painting in this thread.
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Wonderful project. Nice to see something besides Western Front, for a change.
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Next batch of three:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2197_zps4f7e1432.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2197_zps4f7e1432.jpg.html)
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Lovely :-*
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Third and final Grenadier battalion based and ready for action:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2204_zpsd8be1073.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2204_zpsd8be1073.jpg.html)
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And the artillery is finally ready for action:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2211_zps9c6a09b8.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2211_zps9c6a09b8.jpg.html)
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A fine force, and very well-painted. What rules set are you using ?
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Really nice, reminds me I have another gun and care to do too.
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very nice, who makes your Germans?
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Lovely work Janner and coming along nicely.
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Excellent work! ;)
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very nice, who makes your Germans?
Great War Miniatures :)
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Inspirational 8)
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So here's the 1st Grenadier Regt from 1st Infantry Brigade with the Brigade cavalry squadron (8th Uhlans), supporting artillery, and the lead squadron of 12th Uhlans from 2nd Cavalry Brigade:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2220_zps23e2a7e1.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2220_zps23e2a7e1.jpg.html)
My aim for 2015 will be to complete 41st Infantry Regt from 1st Infantry Brigade as well as the 12th Uhlans with supporting artillery batteries. Hopefully limbers will be released over the course of the year by GWM (hint, hint)
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Very nice! One of my projects for 2015 is going to be a later-war German platoon, with extra figures to swap out so it can work as an Eastern Front platoon (against my existing Russian figures from my RCW project) or as a Western Front Zug or Stormtrooper platoon for when we inevitably wander into Western Front WW1 gaming.
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Onto the next regiment with 1st Battalion of the 41st Infantry (now with added sword knots!):
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_2266_zpszkkgvs7j.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_2266_zpszkkgvs7j.jpg.html)
More photos, as well as detail on German sword knots, on the blog: http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk
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Those are outstanding, very nice!
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Very nice.
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Many thanks - the next batch should be complete by the end of the month :D
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Very nicely done 8)
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Excellent work matey :-* :-* :-*
Darrell.
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Great work Janner !
like your blog too
Björn
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Thanks guys, the kind comments always help keep me motivated :D
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Some more machine gun crews for the Germans,
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/c378322d-206a-4ac0-bf8b-82d8b4881ffe_zpsxaxoaqaq.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/c378322d-206a-4ac0-bf8b-82d8b4881ffe_zpsxaxoaqaq.jpg.html)
http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk/2016/10/imperial-germans-viii.html (http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk/2016/10/imperial-germans-viii.html)
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Lovely work!
Have gone back to painting my WW1. Just finishing off some dismounted German ulans.
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Looking foward to seeing those, Helen.
I'll have another infantry battalion ready shortly :)
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Lovely news Janner. Will look forward in seeing them.
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Nice to see that you are continuing your work on this topic. Very nice painting, per usual :-* :-*
LB
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Onto the next German battalion c.1914, 2nd battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment 'von bone' (5th East Prussians).
28mm figures from Great War Miniatures again,
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_3034_zpsm7zh4bx8.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_3034_zpsm7zh4bx8.jpg.html)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_3040202_zps0zz5w1qp.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_3040202_zps0zz5w1qp.jpg.html)
More photos on the blog, as usual,
http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk/2016/10/imperial-germans-ix.html (http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk/2016/10/imperial-germans-ix.html)
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Lovely work Janner! I like the idea of the head swap for the officer. Will borrow that idea for my collection.
Keep up the great work.
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You set me off with the head swaps on your machine gun teams. I'm even swapping uhlan heads around now to mix things up.
Hopefully the comment Aly made about Dave's work on early war German cavalry means some mounted jagers and maybe a German limber... ;)
And I really wish someone would do some 'normal' Russian cavalry rather than yet more cossacks!
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And I really wish someone would do some 'normal' Russian cavalry rather than yet more cossacks!
I take it none of the cavalry in Copplestone's Bolshevik range fits the bill?
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You set me off with the head swaps on your machine gun teams. I'm even swapping uhlan heads around now to mix things up.
Hopefully the comment Aly made about Dave's work on early war German cavalry means some mounted jagers and maybe a German limber... ;)
And I really wish someone would do some 'normal' Russian cavalry rather than yet more cossacks!
Thank you Janner. I could have done a better job, but at the time I was just getting back into the hobby after a near two an a half year hiatus. Much improved in my skills since then :o. Will be lovely to see some new additions from Dave. Hopefully in time some 1914 Belgians. Just finishing the decorating of the dismounted ulan's bases. Starting on some Belgian Carabiniers.
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I take it none of the cavalry in Copplestone's Bolshevik range fits the bill?
Not really, they are fine for RCW irregulars, but not Imperial Russians c.1914. Though there is one officer that I thought close enough to paint as a dismounted cavalry staff officer.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
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@Janner - Just out of interest what colours to you use for your Russians?
@Moderator - It would great if there was a Painting WW1 Russians thread at the top of the Great War section similar to the ones for Brits, US and Germans. :)
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Not really, they are fine for RCW irregulars, but not Imperial Russians c.1914. Though there is one officer that I thought close enough to paint as a dismounted cavalry staff officer.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
Old Glory/Battle Honours any good? (Sorry I guess you have done all this surfing already)
http://www.oldglory15s.com/Russian_c274.htm
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Oh, I didn't know about the Battle Honours range - many thanks :D
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Not really, they are fine for RCW irregulars, but not Imperial Russians c.1914. Though there is one officer that I thought close enough to paint as a dismounted cavalry staff officer.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
I do not think so. Here this set is well suited for the creation of the Russian regular cavalry to 1914. Differences Cossack (except Caucasian Cossacks) and regular cavalry insignificant.
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/img208.jpg)
In picture Lancers, so they are armed with pikes:
(http://img-0.artonline.ru/paintings/ezh/ulany1914g.jpg)
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Nice work mate, saw them on FB as well. :)
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Oh shit! I lost one detail. The Cossacks carbine hanging over his right shoulder, in the of army cavalry - over the left shoulder. Then you need to take the cavalry of the Bolsheviks, having forage cap on his head.
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By regular cavalry, I am thinking of the regiments of hussars, uhlans, and dragoons that made up cavalry brigades, alongside the regular cossacks.
The bridle and sword hilt on these look wrong for these types of regular horse, as is, in my opinion, the webbing and they lack bayonets. However, with some conversion work, they could work for regular cossacks.
I understand that uhlans still wore the czapka in the field in 1914 and, of course, their jackets and caps make them unsuitable for hussars.
Edit: I do have some of these that I run as regular cossacks - needs must :)
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The Cossacks had a saber Caucasus (Asian) of the sample:
(http://popgun.ru/files/g/79/orig/506491.gif)
Saber Army sample:
(https://meshok.net/pics3/38870630.jpg)
There are some other differences between sabers and various regiments kinds of troops, but for 28mm scale figures they can be boldly ignored.
Other types of swords, broadswords, etc. in combat condition does not apply.
The difference in harness and landing in the saddle between the Cossacks and the army cavalry:
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i628/1610/f7/925dc29e7986.jpg)
One more nuance - the Cossacks do not have spurs and the horse controlled using the whip.
Field uniforms infantry and cavalry was almost the same, except for the small parts (equipment, weapons). Also cavalry at the beginning of the war had blue pants. A little later they were replaced with khaki pants.
(http://s017.radikal.ru/i406/1610/a7/905c5dcf3625.jpg)
Private Life Guard Hussar Regiment in 1914. The field uniform Uniforms introduced on the eve of the First World War.
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The differences beteen the sabres are too great to be ignored in 28mm, in my opinion, as your images demonstrate. Thank you for those, by the way. :)
I believe the bridle on the left hand picture to be inaccurate as it seems to be configered for snaffle bit, which means there is also only a single set of reins. This would not be usual for regular cavalry of the period and does not match photos I have seen of Imperial Russian horse.
Do you have any data to support the illustration of the (guard) hussar as I've seen photos that indicate that line hussars deployed in more elaborate jackets and headgear?
Edit. I thought Life Guard Hussars wore red breeches as opposed the normal cavalry blue depicted here.
Thanks again :)
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(http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/graphics/nw_russcavalry_retreat_01.jpg)
Russian regular cavalry. Gumbinnen-Goldap battle in 1914.
Your photo is likely to have been made on maneuvers in the rear.
Yes, my picture - at regular cavalryman is not a complete horse equipment.
Full looks like this (in 1885, but there was no change):
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i631/1610/16/9157c6063d65.jpg)
I thought Life Guard Hussars wore red breeches as opposed the normal cavalry blue depicted here.
Hussar officers allow themselves such liberties, but later, not in 1914. In the course of the war discipline in wearing uniform down, there were various irregularities in wearing uniforms, military fashion, etc.
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Agreed on the revised tack. This is the form my research had indicated and, as you can note, it's quite different :)
On the top photo, is there a matching description of which unit is caught here?
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Sorry, I did not quite understand what you said ...
I do not know exactly what the cavalry unit in the photo. But this is definitely not the Cossacks, because they wear carabiners - not how it is done by the Cossacks. Judging by the peaks is either the Lancers or hussars.
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I'm sorry, but I do not understand your post either.
Do you mean carbines by carabiners?
What do you mean by peaks?
On mine, it may be my use of 'tack', meaning horse furniture.
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Carbine - Cossack or Cavalry rifle.
The Cossacks wear rifle not how regular cavalry. They don her on the other shoulder. Always and without exception. Any Cossacks - not only the Caucasus. This is due to the feature of control the horse when Cossack harness.
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i520/1610/85/18376b2da509.jpg)
Peaks - lance.
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Yes, I was aware of the claims to difference in carbine carriage, I just needed clarification on what you meant by carabiner. There are images of early war cossacks carrying their carbines on the other shoulder though. So these could still be cossacks.
On the unit, I understand that dragoon units were also equipped with lances, which would explain their wearing caps. Unfortunately it is impossible to see if they're wearing spurs.
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Dragoons are not were armed lances. This "Horseback infantry".
They have rifles with bayonets. At the sabers were mounted the scabbard for the bayonet.
(http://forums-su.com/download/file.php?id=2178631&mode=view/SSL21707.jpg)
(http://forums-su.com/download/file.php?id=2178654&mode=view/SSL21724.jpg)
(http://0.cs-ellpic.yandex.net/market_PqiaO6d1m3G09PQkeMPUwQ_240x320.jpg)
(http://dof-vlg.ru/sites/default/files/1827_1-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%8F.jpg)
(http://ледянойпоход.рф/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/dragoner.jpg)
There are images of early war cossacks carrying their carbines on the other shoulder though.
It's almost impossible. This will prevent control the horse.
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Dragoons are not were armed lances. This "Horseback infantry".
Although preserving a dual function for longer than other European armies, Russian dragoons had not served as mounted infantry for some time. Indeed, dismounted cavalry action had been discouraged in the Russian Army since 1870.
All the references I have consulted describe them as equipped (trained and employed) in the same manner as lancers and hussars. Do you have something authoritative that indicates otherwise?
Thanks again :)
Edit. To pick up on your additions, I understand that all regular cavalrymen were issued bayonets, which were routinely fixed to the scabbard. I raised this point earlier as a flaw in using the Copplestone figures for regular horsemen.
On regular cossacks being unable to ride with the carbine on the other shoulder, can you explain? I understand why that would be the case for anyone using traditional cossack tack, i.e. Irregular units...
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Dragoons - received full cavalry training, but also had and infantry training.
I am using Russian literature. Surname Zvegintsev familiar to you? Book Deryabin "Cavalry of the Russian Imperial Guard"?
(http://flattop.ru/images/16/78698.jpg)
(http://s2.docme.ru/store/data/000379202_1-1316c946b6c8457b929e3f75d7b7d2da.png)
I will answer your questions tomorrow - we already have 01.30 night ;)
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Many thanks Cuprum :)
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Even in the Guard Cossacks had horse harnesses the Asian sample. And, accordingly, wearing rifles as well as any other Cossacks.
By the way, the Caucasian Cossacks also had no spears.
All the Cossacks - irregular cavalry. They have served on a private horses in their own private uniforms. From the government they received only the rifle, everything else purchased at his own expense. For this, they have great perks from the state.
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We continue?
Only dragoons had quite a long rifle and bayonet. The rest of the cavalry did not have bayonets.
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Sorry cuprum, I was distracted by other tasks today. Thank you for your responses.
For the uniforms and equipment of the German Army, I am able to rest on Dr Jürgen Kraus's superb monograph, which went through the usual peer review process and has been well received by other experts in the field.
I don't want to judge them by their covers, so might I ask if your sources carry similar academic weight?
I only ask because some of your answers do not match sources I have already consulted, such as Bruce W. Menning.
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My particular problem is the background to dragoons receiving different equipment and training from other line regiments. As you no doubt know, in 1882 all line cavalry regiments were converted to dragoons. Those regiments which were already dragoons remained so, but the imperial guard were largely left untouched.
In the aftermath of Russo-Japanese War, in 1909 the line cavalry had their old titles restored and new uniforms issued, but the information I have to hand is that regiments remained otherwise identically equipped and trained to dragoons.
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I offer my apologies, janner. You're right.
All Russian cavalry, except Caucasian Cossacks were armed with pikes. All privates cavalrymen had to scabbard swords for the bayonet mount.
Hussar pants: for a 5 Hussar Regiment - black; for 11 Hussar Regiment - dark blue, to the Guard Hussar Regiment - dark blue or crimson (could be worn both of them - but always of the same color at all); for other army hussars permitted maroon pants.
The main theme of my interests - the Civil War in Russia. Is why I transferred some of its reality for the period of the First World War. In all my books it described correctly - I was not sufficiently attentive.
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I wasn't sure whether the error lay with Menning, my reading, or elsewhere. So thank you for the clarification, cuprum.
I appreciate now that the Russian regular cavalry had dropped much of its finery on the eve of WWI. So caps and smocks would work fine for most units, if not all units.
The one unit I am not sure about is uhlans. Do you know if they retained the czapka or switched to caps as well. I'm seen photos of senior officers in a czapka, but generals are prone to doing their own thing!
I am even further out of my comfort zone being a medievalist by profession - all be it part time. So I'm delighted and grateful for any help I can get :D
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Alas. It was a general order for the entire army on the introduction of the field uniforms of khaki. This order was issued in 1912 and the entire Russian army in two years has had time to move to a new field uniforms. Including Uhlans.
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Well that's good news in terms of miniatures. The same range could cover hussars, uhlans, and dragoons.
As you wrote, the Copplestones aren't far off. If he were to redo the bridle, change the sabre hilt, and add a bayonet to the scabbard, we'd be pretty much there.
Alternatively, maybe Brigade or Musketeer could step up ;)
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Alas. It was a general order for the entire army on the introduction of the field uniforms of khaki.
Any suggestions on what paints to use for figures? My Osprey book (the extent of my research so far :)) states it had more of a green tinge to it rather than say the British khaki although I appreciate there would be much variation.
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If I'm not mistaken, at the Brigade only Caucasian Cossacks. And what figures Russian cavalry produces Musketeer?
Once again, I looked Copplestone figures. I think is best for the conversion, will approach Bolshevik cavalry (figures in forage caps).
Any suggestions on what paints to use for figures? My Osprey book (the extent of my research so far :)) states it had more of a green tinge to it rather than say the British khaki although I appreciate there would be much variation.
Russian uniform had under the rules of the color "green peas". But during the war, the accuracy of the compliance of the color decreased. In addition, as a result of washing and exposure to ultraviolet light color of the fabric quickly turned pale.
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i642/1610/66/d1b7e5c3fcf1.jpg)
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If I'm not mistaken, at the Brigade only Caucasian Cossacks. And what figures Russian cavalry produces Musketeer?
My post was more about firms that might be persuaded to add to their ranges than existing figures, hence 'step up'. As armchairgeneral suggested earlier, Battle Honours are worth a looksee. :)
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Talking of toys,
Regimental command stand for 41st Infantry Regiment 'von Boyen' (5th East Prussian) c.1914,
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/jannerxi/WW1/IMG_3044_zpswea98er2.jpg) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jannerxi/media/WW1/IMG_3044_zpswea98er2.jpg.html)
http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk/2016/10/imperial-germans-x.html (http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk/2016/10/imperial-germans-x.html)
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Lovely work Janner.