The CSIR in 1941 - Need some help

[cstoesen]

I am studying up on the actions of the Pasubio Division from August to December 1941 for some scenarios.  I decided to look on just the 80th Roma Regiment.  I have a great book by Armando Rati "L'80° Fanteria. La lunga Storia Eroica di un Reggimento Mantovano Diventata Leggenda."   It has some very good information in there.  However, I really am looking for some others.  Does anyone on the list have access to any of the following:

1) "Le operazioni delle unità italiane al fronte russo (1941-1943)"  Esercito. Corpo di stato maggiore. Ufficio storico.
2) "La Pasubio sul fronte russo"  Vittorio Luoni

This has proven to be very interesting to read up on.  I just posted on one incident on my blog: http://cstoesen.blogspot.com/2012/05/back-on-target-fun-things-you-learn-by.html.  Does anyone know of any types of noise suppressors that the Russians may have used on their tank guns in 1941?

Chris

[cuprum]

In the Soviet Union to develop such weapons.
 Here is an excerpt from an article on 45-mm guns:

 "Silent," the 45-mm antitank guns

 In 1935 the first samples were made 45-mm antitank guns, in which the bore after firing a special sleeve closed. The sound remained, but his strength did not exceed the power of sound when firing a revolver.

 From the article it is not clear whether this is only experimental gun or was made a small lot of such guns for special operations. In any case, these guns could not be much.

[cstoesen]

Thank you.  This is interesting.  This brings the possibility of such a weapon into reality.  Now the question is would they have mounted such a thing on a tank.  The T-26S Model 1939 was armed with a 45mm gun.  Is it possible that it could have taken this modification or was the 45mm gun in the tank vastly different than that of the anti-tank gun?

Chris

[cuprum]

The article states that for such firing artillery shells used by special design. And a special device which is worn on the barrel of the gun. Alas - no photo.

So, like a 45-mm antitank gun and tank gun ammunition same - it seems possible to use on a tank.

[cstoesen]

Interesting.  I would love to see that article.  No mention if it was actually used I guess.

[cuprum]

Detail of the article with a description of "silent" guns on this page. Alas - just a few lines.

http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/TiVOut9597/SuPTO/SuPTO009.htm

This is from the book of Russian artillery historian Alexander Shirokorad "National anti-tank guns"

[cstoesen]

Excellent.  Thank you.  This is an interesting article.  Somewhere I have a book on Soviet artillery somewhere, now that I think about it.  I will try to look that up.

[italian]

Hi Cris, I've "Le operazioni delle unità italiane al fronte russo (1941-1943)".
Feel free to  get in touch with me if you need any information.

Diego

[cstoesen]

Thanks Diego.

[cstoesen]

Just was able to get La Pasubio al Fronte Russo from inter-library loan. Things are rolling now.