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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: Hammers on November 17, 2010, 02:33:47 PM
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...or at least I think so because I have never heard of them before.
Unfortunately there are no images on the website but they are boasting of one command group of three and another three regular cossacks.
http://www.brigadegames.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BGAHSL&Category_Code=BGHMSIE (http://www.brigadegames.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BGAHSL&Category_Code=BGHMSIE)
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These are new. Lon just got them in before Fall In.
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I agree pics would be nice. Are they White or Red? Are any of them lancers?
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Are they sculpted by Mike Owen like the rest of the range?
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I believe they were sculpted by Mike Own, but the horses may have come from Ebob Masters. Don't quote me on it, as I am not 100% positive.
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I believe they were sculpted by Mike Own, but the horses may have come from Ebob Masters. Don't quote me on it, as I am not 100% positive.
Sounds promising.
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We need some dismounted cossacks also...
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Sounds like a good combination Mike's figures on Ebob horses (just like what Mutineer is doing with their new mounted range...and they are stunning!). BUT I want to see pics first before I commit to anything.
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Sounds like a good combination Mike's figures on Ebob horses (just like what Mutineer is doing with their new mounted range...and they are stunning!). BUT I want to see pics first before I commit to anything.
Yep, pics before purchase! :)
Darrell.
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So far nothing over at the Brigade Forum...but it is a Holiday this week so maybe next week.
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Sometimes it is hard to understand brigade games. In this time it is easy to make a picture and put it here. Always waiting for the pics is boring....
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Sometimes it is hard to understand brigade games. In this time it is easy to make a picture and put it here. Always waiting for the pics is boring....
Bah, it's not so bad. But, sure, why not wait posting till you can see the product.
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In general I agree with everyone. I will get on Lon about posting some pics.
However, in this case, he got them in right before Fall In and after Fall In he is usually dealing with the orders that came in while he was away. Then we had the holiday here in the US. And if you have something to sell, why wait a month to put it up? Sure, most people want pics, but others will buy sight unseen knowing that the figures are part of the same line and that Lon likes to use the same sculptors.
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In general I agree with everyone. I will get on Lon about posting some pics.
However, in this case, he got them in right before Fall In and after Fall In he is usually dealing with the orders that came in while he was away. Then we had the holiday here in the US. And if you have something to sell, why wait a month to put it up? Sure, most people want pics, but others will buy sight unseen knowing that the figures are part of the same line and that Lon likes to use the same sculptors.
Lon is a good chap and I, for one, don't mean to nag him about it. It's not exactly like I don't have other things to paint at the moment.
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Anyone bought these sight unseen - they seem to have been on the Brigade Games site without pics for months.
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Since November - Several of us (3-4) have asked for pics on the Frigade Forum and here, but nada so far. Pesky customers...
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HAs anyone got these yet? I still wonder what they look like.
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Do not know why these are not yet illustrated on Brigade site - they have added some new packs of Mob Wars recently all with pics.
Makes me think that they might not be any good.
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Well if they were indeed sculpted by Mike Owen of Artizan, then they should be amazing. Strange that there is no picture or description at least. Kind of typical of Brigade though.
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Do not know why these are not yet illustrated on Brigade site - they have added some new packs of Mob Wars recently all with pics.
Makes me think that they might not be any good.
Really? Based upon all the things Mike Owen has sculpted for me for my ranges?
Paul Hicks takes pictures of the figures that he sends to me for approval. Mike hasn't mastered the camera yet and the ones I get are out of somewhat blurry - definitely not ready for posting on the internet.
Chalk it up to working two jobs, raising 3 teen boys and a daughter in college, and being the local scoutmaster. Between casting, packing orders and paperwork for Brigade after a full day at work, some things slip off my radar working 12+ hour days. (not asking for pity, just explaining the reasons.)
I will try to get them inked and take photos in the next few days before I leave for Cold Wars convention next Wednesday.
I do tend to post pictures of stuff early when I have them in my forum.
One of the things I am going to make a concerted effort to do is find some studio quality painters for my ranges. So if anyone is interested and has superior painting talent, can provide a portfolio of pictures to review, can meet deadlines on a regular basis, can take good pictures of the minis and can deal with my eccentricities, email me.
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Really? Based upon all the things Mike Owen has sculpted for me for my ranges?
You tell him, Lon! :)
Seriously, I think most of us understand the plights of a man running a small business. For my own part I just want to make sure I don't buy the pig in a poke.
Am I correct in assuming that you would prefer to work with a mini painter on your side of the pond?
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Maybe you could contact Killshot from this forum? He's very talented painter and the pictures he take of the figures he have painted are very clear...
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Just got these... Very very nice.
Here's a shot, right out of the bags:
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/Photo_6C7EDEAB-3F29-87C1-87CD-25E51C24623F.jpg)
Closeup shots of the command miniatures:
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/cossackleader.jpg)
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/bugle_standard.jpg)
As soon as I get them prepped, primed and painted up, I'll post some better pics.
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Just got these... Very very nice.
Here's a shot, right out of the bags:
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/Photo_6C7EDEAB-3F29-87C1-87CD-25E51C24623F.jpg)
Closeup shots of the command miniatures:
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/cossackleader.jpg)
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/bugle_standard.jpg)
As soon as I get them prepped, primed and painted up, I'll post some better pics.
Wooo! Sold!
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On a second glance, the trumpet looks a bit wonky though...
I wonder if they are made from the same dollies as the arab revolt minis.
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The trumpet may need to be bent back into place. It's also a bad angle shot with my phone.
I think Lon is planning a third pack to fill out the unit, so you could have 9 unique figures. I purchased 1 command and 2 of the rank and file.
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Those do look nice! Now I'll have to get over my dislike of painting horses and pick some up!
Some of the riders seem to have open hands for lances/banners/etc - do they come with wire for lances?
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Some of the riders seem to have open hands for lances/banners/etc - do they come with wire for lances?
Caucasian mountaineers, and the Cossacks that dressed that way (Kuban and Terek) did not use lances.
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Looking good! ;D ;D
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Very nice, but everyone does Cossacks. When will someone do some Regular cavalry - mounted and dismounted.
Maybe I just need to put my money where my mouth is and get some made - who here would be up for joining in.
Please pm...
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Very nice, but everyone does Cossacks. When will someone do some Regular cavalry - mounted and dismounted.
Maybe I just need to put my money where my mouth is and get some made - who here would be up for joining in.
Please pm...
The only noticeable difference in appearance between regular cavalry and steppe Cossacks was the colour of the breeches and shoulderboards. I recommend just using the Copplestone White Russian Cossacks and painting them as hussars or dragoons
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The only noticeable difference in appearance between regular cavalry and steppe Cossacks was the colour of the breeches and shoulderboards. I recommend just using the Copplestone White Russian Cossacks and painting them as hussars or dragoons
Not for 1914-6, there were substantial differences in the jackets, boots and head dress between regular cavalry and the various Cossack units - not to mention lacing on the breaches in some cases.
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Not for 1914-6, there were substantial differences in the jackets, boots and head dress between regular cavalry and the various Cossack units - not to mention lacing on the breaches in some cases.
I was speaking in terms of the miniatures that any conversions would have to be minimal. I don't think many people pay attention to what boots your troops are wearing lol. The papakha and furashka were universal in the Russian Army, so any other forms of headgear would likely only have been used on parade or very early in the war, and the same applies to jackets. Lacing can simply be painted on.
EDIT: Also, I'm referring to the steppe hosts and not the Caucasian ones. The latter definitely had very different uniforms from the cavalry.
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I was speaking in terms of the miniatures that any conversions would have to be minimal. I don't think many people pay attention to what boots your troops are wearing lol. The papakha and furashka were universal in the Russian Army, so any other forms of headgear would likely only have been used on parade or very early in the war, and the same applies to jackets. Lacing can simply be painted on.
Interesting perspective, but missing any understanding of people who enjoy the process of recreating historic units. The boots of Hussars, for example, were a totally different cut and the comment about head dress is not supported by photos taken of units of cavalry in the field as late as 1916 (or does this still sit within your 'very early war' period?).
Not sure why you find it laughable that some people want accurately sculpted minis :?
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Interesting perspective, but missing any understanding of people who enjoy the process of recreating historic units. The boots of Hussars, for example, were a totally different cut and the comment about head dress is not supported by photos taken of units of cavalry in the field as late as 1916 (or does this still sit within your 'very early war' period?).
Not sure why you find it laughable that some people want accurately sculpted minis :?
I never said it was laughable, I just mean that it would be redundant to make regular cavalry minis because they're already so similar to the steppe Cossacks (and vice-versa, though I've never seen a site with only regular cav and no Cossacks). I guess our philosophy differs. I've never really been bothered by doing a little conversion work, especially something as simple as changing the cut of a boot or doing a headswap.
Again, I've never seen a cavalry unit in the Russian army wearing old-style hats post 1915. I'm genuinely interested in that photo if you're correct.
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Calm down, fellas...
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I never said it was laughable, I just mean that it would be redundant to make regular cavalry minis because they're already so similar to the steppe Cossacks (and vice-versa, though I've never seen a site with only regular cav and no Cossacks). I guess our philosophy differs. I've never really been bothered by doing a little conversion work, especially something as simple as changing the cut of a boot.
Again, I've never seen a cavalry unit in the Russian army wearing old-style hats post 1915, and any photos proving me wrong would be appreciated.
Sorry if I misunderstood your intent, I'm obviously suffering the after affects of the disgraceful performance of the English rugby team today.
Moving on, there are some photos in Jägerskiöld's biography of Mannerheim as I recall so that would be worth looking at for Uhlan dress in the field around this time.
So, given that I am too lazy to convert 60+ figures per squadron to use with The Great War rules, I'll await a figure that only requires some work on the odd figure to show variety on campaign.
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Not for 1914-6, there were substantial differences in the jackets, boots and head dress between regular cavalry and the various Cossack units - not to mention lacing on the breaches in some cases.
We're not gaming 1914-1916.
I'd like to know the differences between 1918 Steppe Cossacks and Regular Cavalry which one might notice in 28mm. For that matter, the difference from 1914.
-- As far as I was aware the WWI furazhka was identical, although Cossacks tended to wear it at an alarming angle. The "Handbook of the Russian Army" makes no distinctions and I've never noticed any in pictures. Different colours, of course.
-- The Cossack boots had no spurs. But Russian military spurs were not huge in any case and barely noticeable at that scale. Instead the Cossacks should have a whip, but no-one depicts them that way. Hussars had slightly different shaped boots in 1914, but I doubt many were wearing them by 1918.
-- The Cossacks had a broader trouser stripe.
-- The Cossack sword is different, although how many people had regulation swords is unclear, even in 1914 officers had a tendency to have the wrong swords.
-- I suppose the horse equipment was different. By 1918 you had what you could get.
-- Siberian Cossacks tended to have those enormous furry hats. I would not put those on AFSR regulars, but why not Siberian regulars? Everyone seems to have worn them in Kolchak's forces. That's more an issue of which theatre you are representing.
-- The only one that gets me, and only a button counter would even notice, is the direction the rifle was slung across the back.
Most "White" Cavalry were recruited Cossacks or Natives in any case. I bet they retained their old ways, with whips instead of spurs etc.
Normally I am at the fussy end of history/uniforms, but I definitely would go with Cossacks as RCW White regulars. To be honest, assuming they aren't wearing the budenovka (pixie hat) or razgovory (tabs on coat/blouse), I would glue shoulderboards onto Reds to use as Whites.
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We're not gaming 1914-1916.
Sorry, I misunderstood, the thread didn't seem exclude the time frame in which I am interested.
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Thanks all, for posting the pics and giving opinions. I'm not much concerned with historical accuracy, but I really love to read about meticulous details like the ones mentioned above! :)
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Very nice figures. I want some. My only reservation is that the horeses seem like stonking great beasts. Might just be me but when I think of cossacks I tend to think ponies. Happy to be shot down if I'm wrong on that score.
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What about the way they carry their rifle on their back ? Is it true that in cossack fashion the rifle butt was on the left hip (as Copplestone cossacks), this is different from all line cavalry of most countries including Russia who had the rifle butt on the right hip and easier to catch with the right hand (as Copplestone bolshevik cavalry)?
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Lon,
I would be interested in 20 or so riders but not the horses. Are you able to accomodate such a request or are the horses and riders in the same mould?
Thx
Sterling
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Seriously, I think most of us understand the plights of a man running a small business. For my own part I just want to make sure I don't buy the pig in a poke.
Am I correct in assuming that you would prefer to work with a mini painter on your side of the pond?
Understood.
I would work with any very good painter - it doesn't really matter where. Quality, turnaround and keeping to a schedule are the important points.
Sorry - been real busy with work, con prep, then the con last week. This week through this weekend we are clearing the orders that stacked up while away and this week so hopefully by tomorrow (3/20) we will be all caught up.
BTW - the open handed figure from the command pack is meant to be a standard bearer.
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What about the way they carry their rifle on their back ? Is it true that in cossack fashion the rifle butt was on the left hip (as Copplestone cossacks), this is different from all line cavalry of most countries including Russia who had the rifle butt on the right hip and easier to catch with the right hand (as Copplestone bolshevik cavalry)?
This is true.
Which is why I would be tempted to convert regular White cavalry out of Bolsheviks rather than Steppe Cossacks. With Copplestone that means converting some lancers though (either head swaps off his standard bearers or converging swordsmen). And adding shoulderboards.
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Hi.
(http://s001.radikal.ru/i196/1103/2a/95c70d8ce94f.jpg)
Here's a look at the difference: Army Cavalry landing in the saddle (European), and Cossack landing in the saddle (Asian).
It is markedly different. As Mark correctly observed - a rifle on his back the Cossacks, and all the others wore a different shoulder.
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Sorry if I misunderstood your intent, I'm obviously suffering the after affects of the disgraceful performance of the English rugby team today.
Well I was at the Aviva and I thoroughly enjoyed the game..... ;)