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Title: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on July 17, 2009, 04:35:26 AM
This isn't the Holmes you’ve ever seen before  :)

http://sherlock-holmes-trailer.blogspot.com/

(http://sherlock-holmes-movie.warnerbros.com/Holmes_thumb.jpg) (http://sherlock-holmes-movie.warnerbros.com/Watson_Thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Helen on July 17, 2009, 05:08:03 AM
Thanks Prof for the heads up.

This will be an excellent movie to watch when it's released.

Helen
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on July 17, 2009, 08:51:31 AM
I'm a big fan of Robert Downey Jr, especially after the Iron Man movie, but I'm not sure if I can see Holmes as an all-action martial artist  :? At least his English accent appears to be pretty good and Guy Ritchie seems to have given us an authentic, gritty Victorian London.
I'll almost certainly go and see it though and try and keep an open mind. After all, a new Sherlock Holmes film is definitely needed and things definitely look promising.

Lets hope it's a good one   :D
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: JollyBob on July 17, 2009, 12:07:37 PM
This has so much potential. Unfortunately for bad as well as good.

Pros: Downey Jr, Sherlock Holmes, excellent looking production values.

Cons: Jude Law, Guy Ritchie.

So far the good is winning, and the trailer does look like it'll be fun, but I'm keping my fingers crossed all the same.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: dodge on July 17, 2009, 12:30:38 PM
I think I might like that quite a bit,

nice twist on the usual persona usually shown

Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: squilverine on July 17, 2009, 06:19:13 PM
This is good news indeed, I am looking forward to going to see this, it's just a shame we have to wait so long for the release   ::)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Chairface on July 17, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
I am really looking forward to this movie! Although I must say that I really enjoyed Rupert Everet (sp?) as Holmes in the latest tv movie. It would be nice to have more with him.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Mad Carew Snr on July 17, 2009, 07:45:31 PM

Pros: Downey Jr, Sherlock Holmes, excellent looking production values.

Cons: Jude Law, Guy Ritchie.


Have to agree with the Jolly man here
Downey Jr  :D   Jude Law  :`  Guy Ritchie   :`
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hawkeye on July 17, 2009, 08:40:49 PM
I have to say, I quite like this interpretation of Holmes. A lot of TV/Movie interpretations tend to focus on the character as nothing but an intellectual genius, but the novels and stories clearly depict him as also being a man of action. He is skilled with disguises, is a crack-shot with a pistol (even though he normally tells Watson to bring his pistol, rather than carrying his own), and is also an accomplished stick-fighter, fencer, and pugilist. Watson, in A Study in Scarlet (the first novel in the series), makes a list of Holmes's strengths and weaknesses, some of which are listed here:

Chemistry. -- Profound. 8. Anatomy. -- Accurate, but unsystematic. 9. Sensational Literature. -- Immense. He appears to know every detail of every horror perpetrated in the century. 10. Plays the violin well. 11. Is an expert singlestick player, boxer, and swordsman. 12. Has a good practical knowledge of British law.

I don't know whether it is the intention or not, but the new movie seems to be going back to the orignial source material, or, at least, using parts of it that most movies and TV series tend to ignore. The Holmes of the stories is not afraid to get his hands dirty, and to weigh in when needed, and the trailer indicates that at least this aspect of the character seems to be handled well.

Should be good!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: fastolfrus on July 17, 2009, 11:28:13 PM
We saw the trailer tonight whilst waiting for the Harry Potter film and all agreed that it looks very good, and will be tempted to go and see it when it's out.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Major Weenie on July 18, 2009, 12:00:55 AM
Oh my,
Here's a link to the 'spare bedroom' constructed by one of The Bengal Club's founding members.

http://221bbakerstreetla.com/ (http://221bbakerstreetla.com/)

And, sometimes it's best not to mention 'The New Sherlock Holmes Movie' to Colonel Winky.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on July 18, 2009, 10:22:23 PM
This isn't the Holmes you’ve ever seen before  :)

http://sherlock-holmes-trailer.blogspot.com/

(http://sherlock-holmes-movie.warnerbros.com/Holmes_thumb.jpg) (http://sherlock-holmes-movie.warnerbros.com/Watson_Thumb.jpg)

I am sorry, however great an actor Downey Jr. is, that look is simply wrong and wont do for Sherlock Holmes.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Plynkes on July 18, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
Who goes to the pictures on Christmas Day? Are they even open?


I am sorry ... that look is simply wrong and wont do for Sherlock Holmes.

I dunno, kind of looks more like he might be an opium addict than other big screen portrayals I've seen.  ;)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Dolmot on July 19, 2009, 12:18:31 AM
This isn't the Holmes you’ve ever seen before

It's the Holmes I'm never going to see.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Pentaro on July 19, 2009, 08:41:55 AM
I agree with Hawkeye. The only thing that scares me about this film is Guy Ritchie. What's wrong with Jude Law?
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Aaron on July 21, 2009, 01:21:13 PM
Watch Downey in "Awakenings", the man can act! As others have mentioned, Guy Ritchie is the potential snag!

Oops, the film I was thinking of is "Restoration", not "Awakenings"!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Overlord on July 21, 2009, 02:58:06 PM
As others have mentioned, Guy Ritchie is the potential snag!
Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Jackets.  :o
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: richarDISNEY on July 21, 2009, 03:24:45 PM
Downing  cannot act his way out of a paper bag.  Casting him as Holmes was a TERRIBLE idea.  :-[  Being a Homes-a-phile, this seems to be a choice WAY out of left field.

 It seems like they are trying to ride this on the coattails of the IM movie... (which was crap also...)

Jude Law COULD be ok, but we shall see...
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gallowglass on July 21, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
Who goes to the pictures on Christmas Day? Are they even open?

Americans, mate. It depends on the cinema, of course, but you could certainly go to the pictures around here on Christmas Day if you wanted to.

As to the film adaptation being discussed....I'm not impressed.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Froggy the Great on July 21, 2009, 04:00:53 PM
Jude Law COULD be ok, but we shall see...
I enjoyed him in Sky Captain...

Though yeah, this trailer makes the film out to be a bit of a train wreck.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Skrapwelder on July 21, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Who is playing Moriarity, Jason Statham?
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gallowglass on July 21, 2009, 09:17:50 PM

Though yeah, this trailer makes the film out to be a bit of a train wreck.

I have a sort of sneaking suspicion that we've probably seen all the best bits already.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: kidterminal on July 21, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
Neither of these two actors have the skill to pull off such weighty roles.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Uncle Mike on July 22, 2009, 03:59:46 AM
This will be terrible! If not I'll eat my shoes!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: JollyBob on July 22, 2009, 09:36:31 AM
I think, my previous comments aside, that this will be one of those movies where you get out of it exactly what you expect. Much like the last Indy movie.

I'm not expecting a great film, certainly not a palme d'or winner, but if it entertains me for a couple of hours and doesn't make me want to shout at the screen then I reckon it'll have done its job.

Then again, it could be rancid monkey poop from the word go. What do I know?  lol
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: dbsubashi on July 22, 2009, 09:42:02 AM
Christmas day is the #1 day for ticket sales in the United States. After we tear open the gifts, and eat the prodigious amounts of food we prepare, it is only about 3pm...giving us plenty of time for the cineplex! ;)

I actually think this will work. Unlike everyone here, I am a huge Richie fan, and Downey Jr. was an excellent actor before his drug addiction (or because of it), and seems to have recovered well, doing a bang-up job in everything since.

And I am all for a more "athletic" Holmes. Perhaps more of a VSF Bond...
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: huevans on July 22, 2009, 07:08:23 PM
It sounds an interesting new take on the old story. I was a bit put off initially because it was PR-ed in my neck of the woods as being a "gay" take on SH and DrW and I thought that was a bit silly and needless.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Bako on July 23, 2009, 03:08:32 AM
This will be terrible! If not I'll eat my shoes!

I agree! :o . Good thing I bought shoes just the other day, my work ones smell like old feet and probably taste like the stuff that litters the farm grounds.

Was watching the new Harry Potter movie last night and was told to "shut the f*** up" when I stated my opinion that the trailer was complete tosh and un-Holmes like while the stupid trailers were still being ran before the movie started up.

Interesting about the ticket sales in the States. Our theaters (well the one in town anyways) don't open till 7:30 PM.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on July 23, 2009, 09:15:42 AM
I think, my previous comments aside, that this will be one of those movies where you get out of it exactly what you expect. Much like the last Indy movie.

I'm not expecting a great film, certainly not a palme d'or winner, but if it entertains me for a couple of hours and doesn't make me want to shout at the screen then I reckon it'll have done its job.

Then again, it could be rancid monkey poop from the word go. What do I know?  lol

That's probably the best attitude to take. I enjoyed the last Indy even though it wasn't up to the standard of the others. It was a decent no-brainer action flick.

If SH gets a total panning on release, I will probably wait and buy the DVD when it is inevitably discounted.

It might just turn out to be a good film, though.
After all, if England can beat the Aussies at Lords, anything is possible  lol
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: richarDISNEY on August 10, 2009, 03:08:30 PM
Some of the details got 'out'....

www.nypost.com/seven/08042009/gossip/pagesix/gay_sherlock_holmes_could_backfire_for_g_182825.htm

I don't seem to remember any 'gay' topics in the original stories...   ::)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Doc Twilight on August 10, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
I wouldn't take anything that comes out of the New York post too terribly seriously. It's a tabloid, after all.

-Doc

Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Uncle Mike on August 11, 2009, 04:21:42 AM
He could be gay...but it would be sooooooooo cool if he was a werewolf! That would sell tickets!!! Garbage... :-X
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Bako on August 11, 2009, 04:40:34 AM
Lost my faith in modern television years ago...  :`
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Doc Twilight on August 11, 2009, 07:25:00 AM
He could be gay...but it would be sooooooooo cool if he was a werewolf! That would sell tickets!!! Garbage... :-X

Ahh, but what if he were a gay werewolf? Huh? Huh?

And he had like, some teenage lover that he'd convinced to become a werewolf and join him for all eternity. Some good girl who turned him "straight." Yeah, that's the ticket..

;)

Those of you who are not in the United States have, I hope, been spared the Twilight phenomenon, which makes the prospect of a film with a gay Sherlock Holmes look positively oscar worthy.

-Doc



Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 11, 2009, 08:01:10 AM
Apart from Jude Law, I like the look of that, and I agree that it seems to be going back to the source material (if I remember properly, Holmes was a bit of an opium fiend). Obviously it will be over egged somewhat, afterall, this is modern film but on the whole, it looks good to me  :D

I think Mark Strong as 'Moriarty' is a good choice, not to sure about the whole rising from the dead thingy, but we'll see.

Certainly won't be going on Christmas day to watch it... But on second thoughts, it'll be really empty without a lot of noisy and annoying kids/adults  ;D

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Captain Gamma on August 12, 2009, 01:32:40 AM
Give Jude Law a chance, :) I think he's going to be a great Watson. After all, wasn't Watson a ladies man in his younger days? Holmes constantly ribs him about it in Murder by Decree.(Which I know isn't official Holmesness but its still quite a good movie.)

And Guy Ritchie's "Cor blimey,bish bosh." film making style could still adapt well to a Victorian East end.

I must admit, I flinch slightly at Robert Downey Jnr's appearance but it is a much younger Holmes and we may yet see him with his more conventional appearance at the end of the movie.

I'm hopeful. There can be no worse Holmes than Charlton Heston. ???

 
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Doomsdave on August 26, 2009, 08:24:58 PM
I heard a movie critic on the radio talking about this one.  Definitely a homoerotic undercurrent.   :(    I'm not sure why Hollywood execs don't get it.  They think anything homosexual="cutting edge sophistication" Not going for it.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Skrapwelder on December 26, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Saw this yesterday. Definitely not your standard Holmes and Watson but once you set aside any desire for a standard Holmes I think it will be very enjoyable. The fight scenes with Holmes giving a Dr Bell type of commentary were good and not overdone I thought.

I'll be first in line to grab a dvd an relentlessly strip it of all terrain making ideas.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Cory on December 26, 2009, 06:29:42 PM
I too saw this one yesterday and really enjoyed it despite my low expectations and great apprehensions. 

The plot was more modern action than a classic "who dunnit", but still a good movie.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Galman on December 26, 2009, 07:48:34 PM
From what i have seen inthe trailers, it goes well with the Sherlock literature.  Unlike the classic films, which seem not to.  I have not seen the movie as of yet, but plan on doing so in the morning.  I guess I will make my call then when I watch it.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on December 26, 2009, 08:17:54 PM
So far so good. I'm cautiously optimistic and will probably go and see it  :D
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: rjandron on December 27, 2009, 04:35:39 AM
Saw it today. No spoilers in this thread of course, but it's an awful lot of fun. If you go in expecting Basil Rathbone or Jeremy Brett, you will be disappointed. Just kick back, relax, and enjoy the show. The show runs for over 2 hours and it feels like it wastes very little time. The plot is a bit convoluted, but the chemistry between Downey and Law more than makes up for it. We do get to see Irene Adler and Mary Morstan, which is quite a pleasant nod to the original novels--and the actor playing Lestrade is perfect for the role.

Those miniature gamers seeking inspiration will be well rewarded with many beautiful shots of Victorian London in all of its dirty, filthy, grey glory.

And no, there is no homoerotic undercurrent whatsoever. The film critic that cited that was indulging in "wishful thinking." What we do see is Holmes and Watson as close friends.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: coggon on December 28, 2009, 01:17:46 AM
Saw it today. No spoilers in this thread of course, but it's an awful lot of fun. If you go in expecting Basil Rathbone or Jeremy Brett, you will be disappointed. Just kick back, relax, and enjoy the show. The show runs for over 2 hours and it feels like it wastes very little time. The plot is a bit convoluted, but the chemistry between Downey and Law more than makes up for it. We do get to see Irene Adler and Mary Morstan, which is quite a pleasant nod to the original novels--and the actor playing Lestrade is perfect for the role.

 
And no, there is no homoerotic undercurrent whatsoever. The film critic that cited that was indulging in "wishful thinking." What we do see is Holmes and Watson as close friends.

I concur-saw it yesterday, and enjoyed it tremendously, and today we were in a bookstore, and my teenage son asked if I would buy him a Sherlock Holmes book.  Anything that encourages the lad to read is good.

As to the homoerotic undercurrent, Holmes and Watson do bicker likea couple of gay coupls I know, but then again my granparents bickered like that too lol
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Doc Twilight on December 28, 2009, 10:09:17 AM
Saw it tonight, and as I expected, the right wing pablum about Holmes and Watson having a gay affair was.... just that, pablum. Complete nonsense. There is an undercurrent of attachment between Holmes and Watson (primarily with Holmes feeling as if he's losing Watson to the wife to be), but it could be interpreted several ways. Certainly not this "gay propaganda" that I got forwards from "well meaning" political types about... *rolls eyes*

Anyway, sorry for the mini-rant.

Well worth a view. Not perfect, but a good story, beautiful scenery, etc. I shall anticipate the sequel with eagerness.

-Doc

Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: commissarmoody on December 28, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
Saw it last night, it was a great move.  Not gay at all. I have bounds like that with a few of my ex army buddies, apprantly the people that say it was homoerotic dont have the first clue about the bonds that peoeple devolpe with shaired life expreances. pifft.  ::)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hawkeye on December 28, 2009, 05:02:12 PM
I saw it yesterday as well, and it was a lot closer to the stories and novels than the action-heavy trailers suggested. There are LOTS of nods to the stories - some of them funny, some of them illuminating - and the look of the film on the screen is fantastic. The London that Guy Ritchie creates is nothing short of amazing. Downey and Law are both believable, and the story deals as much with their friendship as it does with the mystery plot. In fact, Downey in particular portrays a wonderfully distracted, eccentric, and - when the situation demands it - focused hero. As soon as I got home from the film, I checked IMDB to make certain that there's going to be a sequel!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Mosstrooper on December 28, 2009, 08:09:33 PM
Saw it today and enjoyed it , may not be exactly Conam Doyles - Holmes , but very entertaining !
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Skrapwelder on December 28, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
After thinking on it a bit I think that these are excellent portrayals of Holmes and Watson but they are just not the Holmes and Watson you would discuss in polite society or put down on paper for the general public to read about.

Holmes was very well versed in the martial arts and if you listen to some of the hard core believers in Holmes they will tell you that he surely must have invented Bartitsu while in disguise as Edward William Barton-Wright. Nothing else could explain his using it in a story that occurred 4 years before the particular martial art was introduced to London society.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on December 28, 2009, 09:18:49 PM
After thinking on it a bit I think that these are excellent portrayals of Holmes and Watson but they are just not the Holmes and Watson you would discuss in polite society or put down on paper for the general public to read about.

Holmes was very well versed in the martial arts and if you listen to some of the hard core believers in Holmes they will tell you that he surely must have invented Bartitsu while in disguise as Edward William Barton-Wright. Nothing else could explain his using it in a story that occurred 4 years before the particular martial art was introduced to London society.

Maybe it portrays the Holmes and Watson that really solved the cases, but were then sanitised by Watson when he wrote them up to be more acceptable to Victorian society?

I could believe that sort of early spin-doctor  ::)   lol lol
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hawkeye on December 28, 2009, 09:24:01 PM
Doyle (or better yet, Watson) describes Holmes as being an expert boxer, fencer, and single-stick fighter, so I have no problem with his martial prowess. I like that his skill with disguises is in the movie too - and it's very nicely handled. Had the modern popular taste for action occurred to Doyle, I'm sure that there would have been more of it in the stories, but the movie is a lot of fun, in any case, and it's great inspiration for gaming!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Plynkes on December 28, 2009, 09:26:18 PM
I want to learn Bartitsu. It looks like just my kind of martial art, judging by these pictures...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bartitsu.jpg)

It seems perfect for a gentleman adventurer like myself.  :)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on December 28, 2009, 09:59:55 PM
I like the offensive use of the overcoat  :)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Doc Twilight on December 29, 2009, 01:10:36 AM
I want to learn Bartitsu. It looks like just my kind of martial art, judging by these pictures...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bartitsu.jpg)

It seems perfect for a gentleman adventurer like myself.  :)

Whilst doing research for my Shanghai, 1930 range,  I came across a similar "walking stick" martial art first developed in India, and then exported to Hong Kong (from there, presumably, on to Shanghai, and I assume London). Very similar illustrations and diagrams, but the men demonstrating are Indians or Sikhs.

Wonder if it's the same thing? Or at least related?

-Doc
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Skrapwelder on December 29, 2009, 01:23:05 AM
I'm pretty sure that Barton-Wright incorporated cane fighting from the French Canne de Combate at the same time he added Savate into the Bartitsu repertoire.

There's a nice little write up of the whole thing here:
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/mamatas_12_09/ (http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/mamatas_12_09/)
There are places that still try and teach Bartitsu as an exploration into Historical sword styles. One of them is in San Francisco where they have seminars on Victorian single stick as well as Bartitsu

http://bottasecretaproductions.ning.com/ (http://bottasecretaproductions.ning.com/)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: richarDISNEY on December 29, 2009, 02:56:31 PM
WORST MOVIE I SAW THIS YEAR.  Next time, I might go catch a  Uwe Bolle movie.  It had to be better than this crud.  :'(

I was let down from the get go.  Law was OK at the best of times, while Downing was HORRIFIC!
This would have been a cool flick of you would have gotten rid of the "ta da! I'm SUPER-HOLMES!  WHERE'S MY CAPE..." aspect and got rid of Downing... >:(
I wanted my money back.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on December 29, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
I want to learn Bartitsu. It looks like just my kind of martial art, judging by these pictures...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bartitsu.jpg)

It seems perfect for a gentleman adventurer like myself.  :)

Bloody marvellous! And all you need is a Spanish cane, a boater and some Hungarian moustachio wax.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: YPU on December 29, 2009, 04:01:51 PM
Something I got from a Movie review at the escapist; and I wonder what you lot think of it. The best personification of Holmes is the tv series star, House. You know, the gruff doctor who breaks all the rules and only does his work to show of how smart he is. I thought it was an interesting concept.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on December 29, 2009, 04:08:45 PM
WORST MOVIE I SAW THIS YEAR.  Next time, I might go catch a  Uwe Bolle movie.  It had to be better than this crud.  :'(

I was let down from the get go.  Law was OK at the best of times, while Downing was HORRIFIC!
This would have been a cool flick of you would have gotten rid of the "ta da! I'm SUPER-HOLMES!  WHERE'S MY CAPE..." aspect and got rid of Downing... >:(
I wanted my money back.

So it is shit, is it? I imagined it to be when I read how they'd interpreted the characters (and how they are portrayed in the poster). To me it seems like the producers are whoring to the slack jawed, illiterate masses who want their heroes to be and appear as cover persons of glitz magazines. Pheh, I say.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Plynkes on December 29, 2009, 04:32:13 PM
Personally I thought it wasn't that bad. I rather enjoyed it, apart from a bit in the middle where I was tottering on the brink of finding it tedious. But they got me back just in time.

All this talk of "gay" seems to me a load of uptight nonsense, obviously put about by people who haven't even seen the film, the types who see a plague of liberal media values under (or in) every bed, the same way they did with Commies in the 50s.

One: The film has no gay agenda. Not even a hint of one. It's a buddy movie, about buddies, just like all those awful films with Mel Gibson and Danny Glover.

Two: So what if it had anyway? Who gives a fuck?


Certainly the best Guy Ritchie film since his first one (admittedly, that isn't saying all that much).
 
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: axabrax on December 29, 2009, 05:09:27 PM
I'm pretty sure that Barton-Wright incorporated cane fighting from the French Canne de Combate at the same time he added Savate into the Bartitsu repertoire.

There's a nice little write up of the whole thing here:
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/mamatas_12_09/ (http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/mamatas_12_09/)
There are places that still try and teach Bartitsu as an exploration into Historical sword styles. One of them is in San Francisco where they have seminars on Victorian single stick as well as Bartitsu

http://bottasecretaproductions.ning.com/ (http://bottasecretaproductions.ning.com/)

That is awesome. Where did you dig up the photos? I live just South of SF and am tempted to go in for a demonstration...
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Skrapwelder on December 29, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
That is awesome. Where did you dig up the photos? I live just South of SF and am tempted to go in for a demonstration...

A couple of friends are members of the Botta Secreta group. I'm up in Sacramento so the commute to classes would be rough but I'm thinking of taking up the trek for the Singlestick classes.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: axabrax on December 30, 2009, 12:15:22 AM
Saw it this afternoon--partially because I wanted to see the Bartitsu discussed in this thread, and I liked it quite a lot. Two thumbs up for me, and I am not really even that much of a Sherlock Holmes fan (of course maybe that's why I liked it; I have no real attachments to the traditional Holmes.)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hawkeye on December 30, 2009, 03:32:11 AM
Agreed! Bartitsu looks jolly spiffing!
All I need to do now is grow the sort of facial hair that could stop traffic!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: gamer Mac on January 02, 2010, 11:04:50 PM
Went to see this today and thought it was great. Well worth the trouble getting through the snow.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: P_Clapham on January 03, 2010, 09:04:34 AM
I was very pleasantly surprised by the movie.  Granted I did go in with low expectations, generally not a fan of literary adaptations.  Guy Ritchie seemed to have nailed the feeling and genre rather well.  It certainly wasn't Basil Rathbone or Jeremy Brett.  It's a different and refreshing version of Holmes, that still remains true to the original source material. 

This Holmes as a few other folks have mentioned, is the more martial and gritty version of the consulting detective.  Robert Downey jr. makes the previous Holmes seem mousy in comparison.  Without giving away too much, here's a few other interesting tidbits from the movie.

There is a moderate amount of steam-punk in the film.  In fact the movie with it's dirty depictions of London, contrasted with the opulence enjoyed by the rich and entitled, almost epitomizes the steam-punk genre.  Of course there are several gadgets and nefarious devices found in the film, nothing too over the top.

In many ways I wish Guy Ritchie had gotten a hold of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen rather than Norrington.  The portrayal of the London sprawl in the film was just incredible.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on January 03, 2010, 05:05:37 PM
Well, after generally positive comments, I'm going to see it tomorrow.

Even Mrs Maximus wants to come with me  :o , though I suspect it has more to do with well-honed male physiques than the foremost detective in Victorian Britain, but I could be wrong there  lol

I'm a huge Jeremy Brett fan, but I'm willing to go and see it with an open mind and no preconceptions. After all, I thought "who's this upstart, trying to outdo the saintly Basil Rathbone" before I saw my first Brett episode.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: d phipps on January 04, 2010, 06:05:06 PM

I went with very low expectations but I’ll generally go to this sort of movie just to get ideas for terrain and such. Unfortunately, I genuinely found myself getting in to the story and enjoying the film – so much so that I neglected to take notes on terrain. Yeeesh, now I’ll have to go see it again.   ;D
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on January 04, 2010, 10:13:53 PM
Watched it today and loved it. Plenty for the Holmes purist to cringe at maybe, but I was very impressed by the acting, sets, costumes etc. The script was pretty good too - enough twists I didn't guess and not too many anachronisms at all. It even had me chuckling several times. There was certainly more rough and tumble than usual for Holmes, but it all semed to fit in well and there was enough of the trademark genius and arrogance for him to be very believable. Dr Watson was actually an improvement, as he has now become a fitting companion and not just a dull-witted sidekick.

It's very fashionable to "re-imagine" characters at present, which is something I don't usually like, but I must say it works here. I was very dubious as to whether Guy Ritchie could handle the enormity of this sort of project, but overall I'd have to give him top marks.

Oh and Mrs Maximus also said she thoroughly enjoyed it, even though she wouldn't normally touch anything Holmes with a bargepole. As I heard her chuckling too, I have to believe her! 

The blatantly obvious "here comes the sequel" ending has got me enthusiastically looking forward to it  :D
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Malamute on January 05, 2010, 08:16:57 AM
Watched it today and loved it. Plenty for the Holmes purist to cringe at maybe, but I was very impressed by the acting, sets, costumes etc. The script was pretty good too - enough twists I didn't guess and not too many anachronisms at all. It even had me chuckling several times. There was certainly more rough and tumble than usual for Holmes, but it all semed to fit in well and there was enough of the trademark genius and arrogance for him to be very believable. Dr Watson was actually an improvement, as he has now become a fitting companion and not just a dull-witted sidekick.


On that recommendation I shall go and see it tomorrow, unless we are snowed in which is forecast...
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on January 05, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
It even had me chuckling several times.

If you look in the novels, the man was certainly not shying away from a bit of fisticuffmanship.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on January 05, 2010, 08:29:02 AM
On that recommendation I shall go and see it tomorrow, unless we are snowed in which is forecast...

You could always hope for something like The Tan Hill Inn 'Disaster' (The Guardian) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/03/leeds-university-cross-country-pub-snowed-in). :)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Malamute on January 05, 2010, 08:45:33 AM
You could always hope fore something like The Tan Hill Inn 'Disaster' (The Guardian) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/03/leeds-university-cross-country-pub-snowed-in). :)

Yes, I read that in the paper yesterday, it would have been most fortunate to have been stranded there. ;D
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Driscoles on January 05, 2010, 09:50:02 AM
a friend of mine is trained in this Bartitsu stuff.
I can introduce him to you Plynkes  :)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on January 05, 2010, 05:54:49 PM
Yes, I read that in the paper yesterday, it would have been most fortunate to have been stranded there. ;D

I don't know about "highest pub in the UK" - with a bar full of trapped students it would almost certainly be the dryest pub after a few hours  lol
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on January 05, 2010, 11:40:27 PM
I don't know about "highest pub in the UK" - with a bar full of trapped students it would almost certainly be the dryest pub after a few hours  lol

Well, apparently it was pretty soon. The only draft beer left was Black Sheep's Riggwelter which hard to interpret as a favourable mentioning of said brand.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Digitarii on January 06, 2010, 12:14:53 AM
Saw it today. I thought it was great fun. The acting and cinematics were above and beyond what I was expecting. I got a heavy sense of Deja Vu because it was very reminiscent of From Hell.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Dr X on January 06, 2010, 03:35:07 AM
Saw it today. I've always been a big Rathbone fan, but as I have long since given up hope on him making abnother film, this really was a pleasant surprise. I enjoyed this version.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Commander Vyper on January 17, 2010, 12:18:30 AM
Saw it today. I thought it was great fun. The acting and cinematics were above and beyond what I was expecting. I got a heavy sense of Deja Vu because it was very reminiscent of From Hell.

What in that it was set in turn of the century (or just before) London? Don't see from hell in there at all mate. It's a period film.

Anyway... saw it today, as a third choice (avatar and book of eli full), enjoyed it alot, especially the signature Richie slowmo pieces. Also enjoyed the martial arts elements, (with RDJr studying Jeet Kun Do and Jun Fan Wing Gung, (my own martial art of choice too!) and the nod from Arthur Conen Doyle to Holmes using a westerised martial art) nicely deduced and fluidly implemented.

Add to that the characterisation of Holmes and the affable likeable Dr Watson heres to the sequel!

The Commander
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: pauld on January 17, 2010, 11:00:51 AM
I saw it just after Christmas and enjoyed it. 

Holmes is more action man than any previous representation but Downey is a very charismatic actor and carries it off well.

The only thing that peeves is the obvious sequel intro (Moriarty)

The normal decline into mediocrity beckons, methinks. 

But I would gladly pay again to see the Sign of the Four (always my favourite story) with these two in it.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 31, 2010, 03:56:31 PM
Loved every single minute of it  :D  :D  :D

Law almost passed himself off as a resonable actor but since he wasn't in it as much as I thought... it don't matter  ;D

A very good film all round and I really liked Holmes' way of 'pre-thought' in a situation, very well done.

I think someone mentioned before about building a half complete Tower Bridge... Hmm... I'm thinking that aswell  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Malamute on January 31, 2010, 06:08:20 PM
Loved every single minute of it  :D  :D  :D

Law almost passed himself off as a resonable actor but since he wasn't in it as much as I thought... it don't matter  ;D

A very good film all round and I really liked Holmes' way of 'pre-thought' in a situation, very well done.

I think someone mentioned before about building a half complete Tower Bridge... Hmm... I'm thinking that aswell  :D

cheers

James

Yep couldn't agree more. ;D

Now Tower Bridge, yum, yum.  :P

Away you go Bibbly San ;)
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Hammers on January 31, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Yep couldn't agree more. ;D

Now Tower Bridge, yum, yum.  :P

Away you go Bibbly San ;)

I have to recant and agree. I thought it was quite original in some aspects.
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: thebinmann on February 16, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
I loved it, but Holmes has changed! Guns and kung fu boxing, wow.

Looking forward to seeing Mycroft as a Bazooka toting smackhead!

Seriously I loved it, but would has liked to see real magic!
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: thebinmann on February 16, 2010, 09:29:13 PM
It got my vote. It was one of those few films recently where I saw it was coming to an end and wished it would go on longer.

That does not happen often these days!

Rattling good stuff and I am looking forward to a sequel.

Me too, hope it lives up to expectations!

Saw the Wolfman trailer, looks good too...
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on February 16, 2010, 11:04:08 PM
Maybe a late one, having just returned from the cinema. As many others here I enjoyed it a lot. Great acting from Downey and Law, seemingly had a lot of fun. Also a great sense for atmosphere and, as Hammers said, "quite original in some aspects": slomo-fighting and retelling some scenes from another angle to mention but the best.
The story itself and some scenes (e.g. sinking the ship) were maybe a bit over the top, but still decent - the more when compared with other recent movies.

All in all, great fun, and I'm really looking forward to the next Downey/Law show.
By the way, I feel an urgent need for a bowler hat... :D
Title: Re: New Sherlock Holmes Movie
Post by: Red Orc on February 16, 2010, 11:12:55 PM
I liked it too. Thought it was very refreshing not to see Holmes as a posh egghead; Downey Jr's English accent was arguably better than Jude Law's (only joking!), the backgrounds were great and left me with a buch of VSF ideas, but I thought Mark Strong as a slightly futuristic (a bit 1920s I thought) leather-clad neo-fascist baddie was the most awesome bit. Someone should give him Richard III to play; he'd be great at it.