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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Galloping Major on June 26, 2017, 11:07:02 AM
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I'm almost ready to press the button on the new Kickstarter (our second) for the FIW range, so it should be up and running in the next few days.
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/CF1.2.1.jpg)
Here are the first 2 figures for the Campagnies Franches de la Marine I've painted, these will be for pack FIW FCF1 in Canadian/outpost dress and bonnet.
The initial release will also comprise
FIW FCF2 in Canadian/outpost dress and tuque.
FIW FCF3 command in Canadian/outpost.
FIW FCF4 in veste and bonnet.
FIW FCF5 in veste and chapeau.
FIW FCF6 command in veste.
FIW FCF7 in veste and mitasses.
These will represent La Marine serving in their "light infantry" role.
Here's hoping this Kickstarter goes down as well as the Redcoats one did :)
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Great news! will be backing this one (as I did the Redcoats one :D).
DJ
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They look up to your usual standard, I probably won't back the kickstarter as I don't field large forces but I will certainly be back for a pack or more when they are released.
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Excellent news mate :)
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I definitely need some of these!
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Great news! will be backing this one (as I did the Redcoats one :D).
DJ
Seconded. ;D
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Very nice, need some of them
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I'll be backing this for sure!
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Thanks chaps, more soon. :D
Just a word about the colour I've painted the shirts: I was originally thinking white which no doubt would be equally valid, but when I read a quote that they were issued 'brown' linen shirts (actually raw linen, not dyed brown) I thought I would paint the soldiers shirts in the sallow tones of raw linen. I'm told raw linen will eventually wash out to white, but the raw linen shirts I have remain this sort of colour after lots of washing, the white bleached linen ones I have stay very white - I think I'll paint the officers in Canadian dress with white shirts. I think either white or raw linen would work equally well :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, are you planning to any of the CFdlM in their waistcoats? It's one of my favourite looks for them in the all Blue.
Also we will need two standard bearers for them ;D ;D
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Lance, are you planning to any of the CFdlM in their waistcoats? It's one of my favourite looks for them in the all Blue.
Also we will need two standard bearers for them ;D ;D
Yes mate, they're the ones in vestes ;) I've got some under way but haven't finished the sculpts yet 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/CF3red1.jpg)
Here are 3 from pack FIW FCF2 in tuques, red or blue knitted hats. I like the idea of using the different headwear to differentiate between sub-units, although they could just as well be mixed in together :)
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Lovely. ;D
I agree about units by hat colour. It works very well in our M&T games :)
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I'm in.
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They look up to your usual standard, I probably won't back the kickstarter as I don't field large forces but I will certainly be back for a pack or more when they are released.
Thanks Black Burt, and no problem :)
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm in.
No shock there :D :D
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Excellent,
I'll be signing up for this one ...
RMZ
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Exciting news for all the GM figures living here.
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Thanks Gents,
Here are some different angle pics of some of the figures already shown:
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/CFanglesweb.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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I like 'Em a lot already. A very iconic unit. ;D
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Thanks Gents,
Here are some different angle pics of some of the figures already shown:
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/CFanglesweb.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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Love them! Quit teasing and let us pledge already! ;)
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Love them! Quit teasing and let us pledge already! ;)
Going live tomorrow (Monday) afternoon - if all goes according to plan :D
I'll announce it on here once it's running ;)
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La Marine Kickstarter is live :D
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/Marine%20headerAweb.jpg)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/63158181/la-marine-28mm-french-soldiers-for-the-french-and (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/63158181/la-marine-28mm-french-soldiers-for-the-french-and)
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And I've just signed up ...
:D
RMZ
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Forgot my Kickstarter password :(; will pledge this evening.
DJ
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Forgot my Kickstarter password :(; will pledge this evening.
DJ
Likewise lol
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They look great Lance,sure to be successful,once again :)
Cheers
Keith
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I've been waiting for someone to do a Beaujeau figure for years. That in itself was enough for me to pledge the collection. :)
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They look great Lance,sure to be successful,once again :)
Cheers
Keith
Invest Keith, you know it makes sense. ;) :D
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Invest Keith, you know it makes sense. ;) :D
Lol
You really don't know how difficult it is to resist this,having seen the work Jeff is doing on Mark's Natives last week,in the flesh so to speak,tattoos,leggings etc they are lush.Beautiful castings :-*
I will though,keeping my powder dry,waiting for Commanche ;) :D
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Lol
You really don't know how difficult it is to resist this,having seen the work Jeff is doing on Mark's Natives last week,in the flesh so to speak,tattoos,leggings etc they are lush.Beautiful castings :-*
I will though,keeping my powder dry,waiting for Confirmation ;) :D
lol
I think we will definitely be having another game of M&T at BLAM. ;)
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lol
I think we will definitely be having another game of M&T at BLAM. ;)
Will look forward to that :)
Do you think La Longe Baguette will have escaped or been exchanged by then ? ;) :D
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(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/BeaujeuWeb.jpg)
Rough concept sketch for this gentleman representing Montreal born Daniel Hyacinthe de Lienard de Beaujeau at the battle of Monongahela, but could easily well be used to represent other officers of La Marine in “native dress”.
I decided to allow M. de Beaujeau to "keep his hat on" and what I'll paint as a powdered wig, to differentiate him from his allies.
This figure will go out free with all pledges of 6 or more packs. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm in for the one of everything pledge. I expect to revisit that amount later when you add more info on ordering extra packs or add new packs to the KS. Are you going to provide some concept art for the packs wearing Veste and Chapeau/Bonnet ? I'm assuming the these minis are wearing a military jacket and tricorn hat/cap.
Also a question about the Compagnies Franches de la Marine. The info in the kickstarter says they are raised in France. Out of curiosity if you were born/live in a French colony in 1750 is there no opportunity to join a la Marine company ?
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Will look forward to that :)
Do you think La Longe Baguette will have escaped or been exchanged by then ? ;) :D
His Canadian and Indian allies tried to prevent him being deposited in a British blockhouse several weeks ago. They were unsuccessful. He is now awaiting transportation to Albany. They will attempt another rescue then. ;)
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I'm in. Compagnies Franches Collection 1
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His Canadian andIndianallies tried to prevent him being deposited in a British blockhouse several weeks ago. They were unsuccesful. He is now awaiting transportation to Albany. They will attempt another rescue then. ;)
Here's hoping then :)
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Backed!
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Are you going to provide some concept art for the packs wearing Veste and Chapeau/Bonnet ? I'm assuming the these minis are wearing a military jacket and tricorn hat/cap.
Also a question about the Compagnies Franches de la Marine. The info in the kickstarter says they are raised in France. Out of curiosity if you were born/live in a French colony in 1750 is there no opportunity to join a la Marine company ?
Thanks RC_Robert: yes, I'll start putting up some concept sketches of soldiers in veste etc., that's the blue sleeved waistcoat, breeches and tricorn or bonnet with gaiters, except pack 7 where they'll be wearing Indian leggings instead of gaiters.
Now the second part is a very interesting one, part of which my research hasn't turned up a full answer to :D. While the other ranks were raised in France, most of the officers came from the "upper echelons" of Canadian colonial families, which as well as some training with and working alongside the Canadian militia gave these regular soldiers a better understanding of the terrain and "light infantry" tactics than would be the case in the army regiments. The compagnies Franches were not only recruited with the intention of defending and policing the French colonies, but the secondary purpose was to increase the comparatively low population of their colonies after their term of service was up by giving them land grants etc, they were then enroled in the militia. The militia in Canada was a very different kettle of fish to those in the British colonies, every male from 16 to 60 was obliged to serve in it, and a high proportion had military experience and/or were used to campaigning in potentially hostile terrain. Elements of the militia would be selected to accompany all expeditions and campaigns alongside Indians, regular army and La Marine - so there was something of a continuity and working inter-action especially between La Marine and the militia. My feeling is that while La Marine was the chosen route for or entry into a military career for "officer classes" in French colonies; most colonists, already enlisted in the militia, would have little inducement to enter the military as a way of life - the exception being those who entered as a "cadet". Cadets were young gentlemen who served in the ranks effectively as a private soldier but were socially more linked to the officers and were effectively serving their apprenticeship as "officers in waiting". 8)
Having said that, you've raised a really interesting question there which, when I get the time I'll look into more specifically - were there actually any Canadians serving as private soldiers in the Compagnies Franches de la Marine? :)
Lance
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That's the 7 packs of Compagnies Franches de la Marine secured, the Kickstarter hit the first target in less than a day - many thanks all. Now lets see how much further we can get, I have things in mind ;-)
Cheers,
Lance
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That's the 7 packs of Compagnies Franches de la Marine secured, the Kickstarter hit the first target in less than a day - many thanks all. Now lets see how much further we can get, I have things in mind ;-)
Cheers,
Lance
Excellent news Lance, well done :)
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Another link to the unit with some background
http://www.militaryheritage.com/c_franch.htm
I have asked some friends here in Montreal if they have any info on the unit, most of them have served in the Montreal Militia Black Watch or Grenadier Guards.
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were there actually any Canadians serving as private soldiers in the Compagnies Franches de la Marine? :)
It had apparently been fairly common for soldiers of the CFdlM recruited in France to swap places with someone they were billeted with (their barracks being inadequate, billeting was commonplace) - so they'd do the civilian work and the Canadian would go soldiering when required in his stead. I think this had lapsed by the time of the FIW - at least. I'm not quite sure what might have been in this for the Canadian. Presumably he was better suited to soldiering, and it may be that the CFdlM recruits were more inclined to civilian labour.
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It had apparently been fairly common for soldiers of the CFdlM recruited in France to swap places with someone they were billeted with (their barracks being inadequate, billeting was commonplace) - so they'd do the civilian work and the Canadian would go soldiering when required in his stead. I think this had lapsed by the time of the FIW - at least. I'm not quite sure what might have been in this for the Canadian. Presumably he was better suited to soldiering, and it may be that the CFdlM recruits were more inclined to civilian labour.
It was certainly normal pactice for soldiers of the Compagnies Franches to run small enterprises of their own, especially when posted to the more remote outposts, individually or in groups in their "down time" (which was the biggest part of most days); this included growing vegetables and other crops for sale as well as to supplement their own diets. An officer would often hold the trading concession for such a post, which would provide a very healthy additional source of income. Soldiers were also hired out temporarily to enhance the meagre local labour force.
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Selected list of a few titles with useful reading for anyone wanting to find out a little more about the life of the soldier of The Companies Franches de la Marine in North America:
"La Marine" by Andrew Gallup and Donald F Shaffer. Heritage Books
"Memoir of a French and Indian War Soldier" by "Jolicoeur" Charles Bonin. Edited by Andrew Gallup. Heritage Books
"The French Soldier in Colonial America" by Rene Chartrand. Museum Restoration Service.
The "Canadian Military Heritage" Series by Rene Chartrand
I've selected these in particular, but please feel free to add more titles :)
Cheers,
Lance
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(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/2%20vestes%20sketches%20web.jpg)
Concept sketch for "La Marine" one for each pack of FIW FCF4 & 5 - these two show the general appearance of Compagnies Franches in "small clothes": blue sleeved waistcoat (veste) and breeches with white gaiters. Command pack FIW FCF6 will also be wearing this order of dress, as will pack FIW FCF7 but all wearing mitasses instead of leggings
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Very nice. I like the appraoch you have taken with these, producing them in both styles of dress and mixing them up also.
Are you going to tempt us yet with how you want to move the Kickstarter forward?
I'm eager to see what else you have up your sleeves! ;D
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sketches look great. Are you planning on any packs wearing a coat over the small clothes ?
Pic from Wikipeadia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Compagnie_Franche_de_la_Marine.JPG/1280px-Compagnie_Franche_de_la_Marine.JPG
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A bit of a mix in the replies from my local Montreal born friends.
All agree that the unit was originally raised in France and its original officers were French but as time wore on some replacements would be local born inhabitants to satisfy immediate requirements.
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My research points at most officers being Canadian born by the time of the French & Indian War, the companies were raised individually of each other (independent companies) and although they existed for a few years in the 1620s, had a continual service from 1671, by the beginning of the 18th century there were 28 companies serving in Canada.
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Malamute & RC_Robert - thanks for asking:
Here are the packs for the newly added stretch goal:
FIW FCF8: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in coats firing.
FIW FCF9: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in coats loading.
FIW FCF10: Compagnies Franches de la Marine Command pack in coats.
The command pack will contain an officer with fuzee, two ensigns, a sergeant with musket, a drummer and a cadet 'a l'eguilette.
You'll be able to add-on Compagnies Franches de la Marine flags by Flags of War for £2.50, no extra shipping.
If we meet the goal and these packs become available, there'll be a new Canadian Militia scout up for grabs to accompany all pledges of £40 or more against the packs of La Marine in coats :D
Cheers,
Lance
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To help us reach the stretch goal to get those Compagnies Franches de la Marine in coats under way, I'm introducing add-ons of our existing French and allies for backers of this project at special prices:
Canadian Militia x all 4 packs for £33.00 + £3.00 additional shipping
Huron x all 4 packs for £33.00 + £3.00 additional shipping
Canadian Militia x all 4 packs + Huron x all 4 packs for £64.00 + £5.00 additional shipping
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/Lel300.jpg)
llustration for uniform style only by the great Eugene Leliepvre, published by the Company of Military Historians.
You can't imagine how long I've been waiting for an excuse to put this picture up :D
Lance
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Hey Lance,
Are there anymore stretch goals planned? More in veste, coats? How about regulars?
your PITA buddy from the last KS,
Pete
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Hey Lance,
Are there anymore stretch goals planned? More in veste, coats? How about regulars?
your PITA buddy from the last KS,
Pete
Hi Pete, I've got a couple of ideas I'd like to develop for if it goes to a second stretch goal, I think I had better keep the army regulars for another launch though; although the thought is tempting ;-)
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Hi Lance, but does the compagnies franches in coats couldn't be also correct for regulars? I think that except the trouser colour, uniform is the same no?
regards.
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Hi Lance, but does the compagnies franches in coats couldn't be also correct for regulars? I think that except the trouser colour, uniform is the same no?
regards.
Hi coureurdesbois, you raise an interesting point. Although the overall look is very similar, there are differences of detail, for instance the Giberne and powder flask arrangement is different from the cartridge boxes of the army regulars - both grenadiers and fusiliers which are also distinctively different from each other. Also the army regiments' coats were gaining the addition of a collar during this period. :)
The army regulars I plan to produce will not be just changes of detail, the stances will be different, with even greater variety and choices available - as with the Redcoats, where the 60th Foot are not the same figures but without lace ;).
I suppose the Compagnies Franches in coats could be painted as army troops, with a bit of alteration to equipment (or not, depending how much this troubles each person); and I know I could sell a lot more figures from the same moulds if I encouraged using them for both, but that's really not what I'm seeking to achieve, so the Army regulars in coats will be different :D
Thanks again for your useful input,
Lance
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A little inspiration for painting the Compagnies Franches de la Marine in coats as featured in our stretch goal. Left to right (above) officer, drummer, private soldier. The soldier's cartridge box is the giberne (shoulder-slung box), which like the gargoussier (waist box) and the musket sling were produced in a crimson-red leather, which would grow darker and more brownish over time. The drummer's coat is trimmed with the royal livery lace: crimson with a white chain pattern. The officer's coat is white rather than the pale grey of the other ranks.
The illustration below shows a cadet, distinguished by his blue and white shoulder knot, and a sergeant whose rank is shown by the gold lace trim on the cuffs and pockets of his coat, he carries a halberd in garrison - our command pack sergeant will be armed with a musket. All soldiers in this illustration including those in the middle ground without coats, showing the blue small clothes, are shown without the white gaiters normally worn on campaign.
All illustrations on this update are by Eugene Leliepvre.
I hope you'll find this useful, please comment if you do.
Lance
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Why are there 3 dress style for the Compagnies Franches de la Marine (outpost, veste, coat). I really like the period for gaming but don't know a lot of the details. Is it something simple like uniform coats are expensive and not everyone gets one or independent companies less strict in wearing a full uniform at all times (it's a hot day. You don't have to wear a coat today).
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Why are there 3 dress style for the Compagnies Franches de la Marine (outpost, veste, coat). I really like the period for gaming but don't know a lot of the details. Is it something simple like uniform coats are expensive and not everyone gets one or independent companies less strict in wearing a full uniform at all times (it's a hot day. You don't have to wear a coat today).
Thanks for that question RC_Robert. The coats would worn or not at the decision of their senior officer, weather being one but not the only factor, but as a general rule of thumb I would go for coats when serving in battalion (several companies drawn together) etc., and in Spring/Autumn weather coats removed and small clothes exposed in hot weather, small clothes and/or Canadian/outpost clothes works well for skirmishing. For winter fighting a mix of coats and capotes would be most likely, along with other warm articles of clothing. The Canadian/outpost clothing became introduced in companies which were stationed in remote outposts for long periods of time where re-supply was difficult or unlikely. The soldiers were allowed to dress in their shirts worn out over breeches (or in some cases shown in breech clouts) with mitasses (Indian leggings) in place of or to preserve their issue uniform coat and waistcoat. I've represented this as campaigning season (Spring-Autumn), for colder weather capotes were worn, often made up from the remnants of their grey coats.
My plan for my own ones is to have a unit or two in coats to act in the same way as army infantry, and a few sub-units in small clothes and Canadian clothes to act in support or separately as light infantry. The compagnies Franches being largely officered by Canadian-raised gentry and training alongside militia (having already learned their formal French infantry drill), and serving on raids with Indians and militia, had learned the woodland way of fighting so as well as fighting in tight military formations were able to work in a light infantry style.
For "La Marine" detachments sent on a raid with Indians and Canadian Militia I'll mostly use the figures in Canadian clothes with some in small clothes. For defending a garrison I'll use mostly soldiers in coats and in small clothes.
The different orders of dress and different hat types can be mixed together, but I think they'll come in very useful as a way of easily differentiating units and sub units.
"La Marine", being independent companies of which there 28 companies serving in Canada by the beginning of the 18th century, constituted the largest element of French troops (other than the militia) serving in the French & Indian War. As Independent Companies they had no battalion structure, though Montcalm did form a service battalion of Compagnies Franches de la Marine in 1757, Levis organised two battalions in 1760. Serving in battalion they fought in the more structured European style of the army battalions.
I hope this helps - I've structured the Kickstarter for "La Marine" in a way that makes it possible to back it by pledging only against troops in Canadian/outpost dress or in small clothes as well as both together, the soldiers in their uniform coats are the stretch goal which we're currently working towards.
Cheers,
Lance
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(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/3sketches.jpg)
Three more concept sketches for the "La Marine" in small clothes. Left is the drummer for command pack FIW FCF6 (drummers wore red veste and breeches instead of blue), the other two are one each for packs one for each pack FIW FCF4 & 5. These three are for packs in the initial stage of the "La Marine" Kickstarter which has been achieved, we're progressing towards the stretch goal of soldiers in coats with currently 19 days left to go.
See previous posting for different types of dress.
Lance
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Looks like a wonderful selection being produced here, congrats!
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Thanks GamesPoet :)
Below is the first sketch for a soldier of "La Marine" in coat for the Stretch goal of our Kickstarter, which is drawing very close to the target with 17 days still to go :D
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/Coat1.web.jpg)
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Just upped my pledge to help with the stretch goal.
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Just upped my pledge to help with the stretch goal.
Good man, I'm abou to do the same. ;)
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Many thanks Gentlemen :D
Here's my concept sketch for the figure which will go out free with all pledges of 4 packs or more of the stretch goal La Marine in coats - a Canadian militiaman scout.
Cheers,
Lance
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/ScoutLow.jpg)
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I like him, very excited about these figures, maybe more so than the British regulars. ;D
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Below is the first sketch for a soldier of "La Marine" in coat for the Stretch goal of our Kickstarter, which is drawing very close to the target with 17 days still to go :D
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/Coat1.web.jpg)
Hi. I am also a KS supporter for this. But is there evidence that the Compagnie Franche de la Marine fought in these coats? I would have thought this was formal wear, like on the parade ground. Or that worn by officers in the field.
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Hi. I am also a KS supporter for this. But is there evidence that the Compagnie Franche de la Marine fought in these coats? I would have thought this was formal wear, like on the parade ground. Or that worn by officers in the field.
:o Yes there is Bowman, this is the normal service dress for the Compagnies Franches, this is how the majority would have appeared in most larger engagements and how many were dressed for some lesser ones, also how they dressed for most day-to-day duties other than in the further flung outposts and on extended raids. I'm pretty sure that when numbers of companies were drawn together to form a batallion (as mentioned above, I think, 1757-61) this is how they would have appeared. The other two orders are different degrees of "stripped down" dress from this, there was as yet no special parade dress. "Small clothes" (coat removed) was normal for labouring tasks and particularly hot weather.
Interestingly enough we have one particularly strident fellow on TMP taking the opposite tack to you and insisting (not asking a sensible question like yourself) that Canadian clothes were never worn by the CF de la M, and that there is NO evidence that any of them wore the tuque. lol
A big thank you for supporting the project 8) Please believe me that I do put a lot of research into any subject I tackle and I review all the options before commiting anything to green-stuff. :D That doesn't mean that I don't find questions like yours both constructive and helpful, enabling me to better explain what I now realise I should have done earlier. :)
In the case of the Compagnies Franches de la Marine I had noted that other manufacturers who had already released figures for these units had gone for their interpretation of one of these dress orders only, whichever one that was. I could conjecture that this is to keep it simple and cheaper, both in sculpting and the number of moulds required. The less moulds and options presented the more chances of turning a profit was always a maxim of the "old school" wargames manufacturers, but while it would be lovely to see some profits, minimising the choices is far from being one of my personal criteria. ;-) Some may say, with some justification, that were it so Galloping Major would already be offering more different troop types only less variety of each. lol I know that a good many out there work on the principle of hitting a wargames period with a few swift releases and moving on; it isn't like that for those of us who have a strong attachment to the period in question and want to see justice done to it and as many choices as possible given to those who have developed an interest in it. I'm rambling a bit Chaps ::)
The way I constructed the Kickstarter for the "La Marine" was to be able to offer backers the options of, initially two choices (or combinations) of the less formal attire, then of adding (or not) the more formal appearance more in the style of the army line troops, and then.... (coming soon) a little "icing on the cake".
Inevitably some will want to go with only one or two of the above three options for whatever reason, others, like myself, will want all the options and the ability of using them all together (either mixed or in easily identifiable sub-units - see an earlier posting) and to be able to choose which types to field for other occasions :)
Sorry Bowman, I did intend to answer your question in a yup kind of way, but found myself exploring a lot further, I hope I haven't been self indulgent - at least it has given me pause lol and I hope that some have stayed with me to the conclusion :`
Many thanks,
Lance
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I'm delighted to say we made it through the stretch goal with over a fortnight remaining, many thanks to all who've been supporting the project. 8)
I was far from certain that we would get there, but had in mind a couple of packs to create for a second stretch goal if that came about; reading and taking note of a couple of comments from different sources, I've decided on a third pack to go alongside these.
I'll also be producing another figure which will go out free to backers who pledge for 4 or more stretch goal 2 packs, I'm still contemplating on exactly what this figure will be, but I'm thinking he'll be an officer type for the soldiers in capots. The packs will be:
FIW FCF11: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in capots and bonnets.
FIW FCF12: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in capots and tuques.
FIW FCF13: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in coats advancing*.
* I have yet to conclude the last part of the above pack title, as I'm not 100% sure this covers it properly. The plan is that while some of these figures may be advancing with muskets held across their bodies, others may be moving a little more "tentatively", I may even include the "odd" standing figure. These could be used as a group of their own, or mixed in with some of the firing and loading stances to create a unit skirmishing in coats.
As with stretch goal 1, backers will be able to add the packs you want, in combinations of your choice at £9.75 + 75p extra shipping = £10.50 per pack.
The target for stretch goal 2 is £9500.00 and we still have more than two weeks to go.
:)
Cheers All,
Lance
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Interestingly enough we have one particularly strident fellow on TMP taking the opposite tack to you and insisting (not asking a sensible question like yourself) that Canadian clothes were never worn by the CF de la M, and that there is NO evidence that any of them wore the tuque. lol
Yes I saw that, what a charming individual ;) lol Are you not going to put him straight?
More figures and stretch goal 3, you're a bad man Lance! Now where did I put my wallet :D ;D
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Yes I saw that, what a charming individual ;) lol Are you not going to put him straight?
More figures and stretch goal 3, you're a bad man Lance! Now where did I put my wallet :D ;D
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I've been trying to Nick, but despite being a supporting member, I haven't been able to make comments ::) >:(
I'll have to chase them up again tomorrow.
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I've been trying to Nick, but despite being a supporting member, I haven't been able to make comments ::) >:(
I'll have to chase them up again tomorrow.
No doubt whatever you say will be wrong, he sounds like one who won't take it lightly!
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I'm delighted to say we made it through the stretch goal with over a fortnight remaining, many thanks to all who've been supporting the project. 8)
I was far from certain that we would get there, but had in mind a couple of packs to create for a second stretch goal if that came about; reading and taking note of a couple of comments from different sources, I've decided on a third pack to go alongside these.
Cheers All,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
I'm delighted to say I'm going to cite you in my Bankruptcy and Divorce proceedings! lol
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Hope this is ok to post here Lance, seems relevant to the subject.
I visited Fort Ligonier ( http://fortligonier.org/ ) a few weekends back on the recommendation of fellow LAFer Sterling Moose. This picture, showing French Marines preparing to attack the fort, was hanging in the Museum
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/29/1512_19_07_17_1_24_26_3.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/29/1512_19_07_17_1_24_26_2.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/29/1512_19_07_17_1_24_25_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/29/1512_19_07_17_1_24_25_1.jpg)
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Hope this is ok to post here Lance, seems relevant to the subject.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/29/1512_19_07_17_1_24_26_2.jpg)
Very much OK Mark, these are great, nice to see those detail crops as well, especially the one showing the soldiers piling their campaign bags etc., I was thinking of adding some piles of equipment to some of the packs - that has clinched it 8)
Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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I think those pictures are in one of the Osprey books. Nice inspiration :)
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No doubt whatever you say will be wrong, he sounds like one who won't take it lightly!
I'm sure you're right Nick, "he sounds like one who won't take it lightly!" good euphamism for the sort of person he has clearly demonstrated himself to be ;) :D
However, I have posted an update and a response (take a dekko) - no doubt he will respond with bluster demonstrating his ability to turn a blind eye to the results of all the extensive research published over the last three decades and more. As a gentleman, I shall do my best to ignore the fellow, and resist the urge to waste more time engaging in any further discourse with him. >:( ??? lol
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Wise words and a sensible course of action no doubt. ;)
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My limited but reasonable (over about 3 years) research into the Marines has lead me to believe that had more variation than any other unit. Simply because they were stationed in more areas.
Those in the cities of Quebec and Montreal would wear the formal uniforms and those out West that had been there for a long time tended to acquire bits of native clothing to add to various fatigue gear - no doubt keeping their best uniforms for the visit once every 5 years from the city :)
Unfortunately a lot of pictures and painting are no accurate - artistic license etc but their are first hand accounts of the dress if you look hard enough.
The initial figures posted did look like one of the 3 Militia regts - which all had colour coordinated tuques.
I am sure in winter some Marines may have worn them too.
More variety the better as far as I am concerned for Marines.
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I'm sure you're right Nick, "he sounds like one who won't take it lightly!" good euphamism for the sort of person he has clearly demonstrated himself to be ;) :D
However, I have posted an update and a response (take a dekko) - no doubt he will respond with bluster demonstrating his ability to turn a blind eye to the results of all the extensive research published over the last three decades and more. As a gentleman, I shall do my best to ignore the fellow, and resist the urge to waste more time engaging in any further discourse with him. >:( ??? lol
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Lance, I was holding off on your Kickstarter, since my F&I War project has been on the back burner, but your riposte on TMP inspired me to jump in! As I noted in the Kickstarter comments section, I can tell you from past experience that if you really want to get this guy's goat, start selling packs of French militia as "coureur de bois!"
Mike
PS: I second Dr De'Ath's recommendation of Fort Ligonier: every time we venture into Pennsylvania we go to the wonderful little town (village?) of Ligonier: I drop my wife off at Kathy's Kreations yarn shop then head for the Fort. Highly recommended.
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My limited but reasonable (over about 3 years) research into the Marines has lead me to believe that had more variation than any other unit. Simply because they were stationed in more areas.
Those in the cities of Quebec and Montreal would wear the formal uniforms and those out West that had been there for a long time tended to acquire bits of native clothing to add to various fatigue gear - no doubt keeping their best uniforms for the visit once every 5 years from the city :)
Unfortunately a lot of pictures and painting are no accurate - artistic license etc but their are first hand accounts of the dress if you look hard enough.
The initial figures posted did look like one of the 3 Militia regts - which all had colour coordinated tuques.
I am sure in winter some Marines may have worn them too.
More variety the better as far as I am concerned for Marines.
Thanks Oabee, you are so right, the Compagnies Franches had more different styles of dress than any other French unit, not only that, but they appeared in more places and were much greater in number than any other troop type with the exception of the milice, so I'm with you, the more variety the better. 8)
One thing I would add regarding the wearing of tuques, they were a very common and inexpensive form of headwear worn throughout the French colonies in North America, especially for work wear; it very naturally quickly also became the common headwear for the milice (other than the small and mostly sedentary and generally much "better off" city units). As demonstrated in the quote below tuques were an issue item within La Marine in 1757 - and would therefore be more likely to be in the same or similar colours within a company than they would in the milice who mustered in their own clothing and the hats they wore for their daily work on the land, in boats etc, and no doubt in most cases home produced. As it was not until 1759 that the regionalised "colour coding" of tuques for milice was introduced, that kind of seems to put the "shoe" onto "the other foot" when it comes to La Marine in same coloured tuques being confused with Milice. I would say that as this is an easily recognisable way of differentiating the units of milice for the last couple of years of the war, it has become something of an easy way of compmartmentalising them throughout the period for many of us on the games table (including me ;) ).
Quoted from "LA MARINE The French Soldier in Colonial Canada 1745-1761" by Andrew Gallup and Donald F. Shaffer published by Heritage Books, 2008:
"Perhaps nothing is more French Canadian than the Tuque, a woolen stocking cap. The marine had access to this headgear. The Tuque was an issue item in 1757 (Bougainville 1964:87). They were made in various weights, "single caps" or "double caps". They came in various colors, blue and scarlet being most popular. Tuques were knitted as tubes. An example from the Machault cargo is of two-ply yarn knitted in stocking stitch (Hanson 1981:11. Sullivan 1986:82)."
I would highly recommend this book as an introduction for anyone wishing to learn more about the material culture of the Compagnies Franches de la Marine. It details everything from hats to shoes and razors to fortifications.
Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Thankfully I've avoided the drama on TMP, however I'm greatful for the extra discussion about uniforms here.
I've also backed for one of everything (I think).
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Lance, I was holding off on your Kickstarter, since my F&I War project has been on the back burner, but your riposte on TMP inspired me to jump in! As I noted in the Kickstarter comments section, I can tell you from past experience that if you really want to get this guy's goat, start selling packs of French militia as "coureur de bois!"
Mike
PS: I second Dr De'Ath's recommendation of Fort Ligonier: every time we venture into Pennsylvania we go to the wonderful little town (village?) of Ligonier: I drop my wife off at Kathy's Kreations yarn shop then head for the Fort. Highly recommended.
Thanks Mike, so even "know it alls" and "the hard of thinking" attempting a spoiler on a project can turn out helpful :D despite their best efforts.
"Coureur de Bois" - I must admit that term does get a lot of mis-use for what were basically milice from the less settled, further flung areas of New France, but that sounds like a good enough reason to release at least one pack of them at some time - I made some very rough sketches for some a while back, I'll have to move them up the list a bit ;)
Yes, Ligonier is one of the places I would love to visit 8)
Folnjir - very wise too :D this in the place to be for an altogether better class of conversation ;D
Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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"Coureur de Bois" - I must admit that term does get a lot of mis-use for what were basically milice from the less settled, further flung areas of New France, but that sounds like a good enough reason to release at least one pack of them at some time - I made some very rough sketches for some a while back, I'll have to move them up the list a bit ;)
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Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Most every set FIW skirmish rules uses the name to describe expert skirmishers. I don't see any problem in using the name.
I had a question about the command packs. I'd like to add the Flags of War flags for the command packs that I've pledged. Will all of the command packs (outpost, veste, coat) have ensigns to carry flags ? I know the command pack in coats will need a flag, but I don't know about the other two packs.
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Most every set FIW skirmish rules uses the name to describe expert skirmishers. I don't see any problem in using the name.
I had a question about the command packs. I'd like to add the Flags of War flags for the command packs that I've pledged. Will all of the command packs (outpost, veste, coat) have ensigns to carry flags ? I know the command pack in coats will need a flag, but I don't know about the other two packs.
Only the pack 'FIW FCF10: Compagnies Franches de la Marine Command pack in coats' will contain two ensigns for the flags. Sorry for not making that clear :)
Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Thanks for clearing that up. You first listed flags with the marines in coats stretch goal, but I wasn't sure.
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Thanks for clearing that up. You first listed flags with the marines in coats stretch goal, but I wasn't sure.
You're most welcome 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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My quick concept sketch of the figure I'll be sculpting to accompany pledges of 4 packs or more from Stretch Goal 2 - if we hit that stretch goal ::).
He is a Compagnies Franches officer in capote and mitasses. As there is no command pack planned for the La Marine in capotes, this little character should prove pretty useful.
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/Officer%20capote%20crop%20web.jpg)
We have 5 days to go to hit that second stretch goal, and at the time of writing £656 of pledges more needed to secure the following packs:
FIW FCF11: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in capotes and bonnets.
FIW FCF12: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in capotes and tuques.
FIW FCF13: Compagnies Franches de la Marine in coats advancing.
Fingers crossed :)
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Very nice all that it deserves a song ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUHmPPPWlgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUHmPPPWlgY)
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Lovely figure. I'll add my extra pledge at the weekend when I get back from holidays. ;)
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Very nice all that it deserves a song ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUHmPPPWlgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUHmPPPWlgY)
8) :D
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So with three days left to go, only £288 is needed to hit the second stretch goal.
Which means if 28 of the 87 backers each buy one extra pack at £10.50 all those extra packs and the free French Officer will be available.
Get your wallets out chaps! :)
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Thanks Dr De'ath, much appreciated :D
Now might be a good time to mention the T-shirt that's available as an add-on on the "La Marine" Kickstarter :)
The T-shirt will be quality silk screen printed in blue onto an "ash" coloured Gildan heavy cotton T (99% cotton, 1% polyester).
Sizes available are: Small (34"-36"), Medium (38"-40"), Large (42"-44"), XL (46"-48"), XXL (50"-52") and 3XL (54"-56").
If you would like to add one or more of these T-shirts to your pledge, just add £13 + £2 additional postage (first T-shirt only - additional T-shirts £13 but no extra postage).
We'll add these to the online shop after the Kickstarter pledges have gone out, at £16 + postage. 8)
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/La%20Marine%20vis%20web.jpg)
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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£161 needed for the second stretch goal now with three days to go - would be a shame to miss out on those extra packs.
Just need 16 people to buy an extra pack each
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£161 needed for the second stretch goal now with three days to go - would be a shame to miss out on those extra packs.
Just need 16 people to buy an extra pack each
Many thanks for the Cheerleading input - we've passed the strtch goal 2 target.
Not counting any chickens (or La Marine in capotes) yet, with two and a half days yet to go.... Kickstarter totals can drop as well as rise, so here's hoping now those extra packs are available, the total rises into a safer zone :D
Massive thanks to all our backers 8)
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com