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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Rob_bresnen on 17 December 2017, 10:46:09 PM
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I was thinking of getting a steam ship, paddle boat etc for my explorers to be transported in style. Who makes suitable models in 28mm scale? Which do yo guys recommend?
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I was thinking of getting a steam ship, paddle boat etc for my explorers to be transported in style. Who makes suitable models in 28mm scale? Which do yo guys recommend?
This is not snarky, though it may seem so - have you tried making one? Not so hard...
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I also made my own. But Sarissa has a couple of nice ones.
https://www.sarissa-precision.com/Boats___Launches/cat1603369_2504956.aspx
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Grand Manner do do some nice ones with a sort of “design your own” system. Not cheap but lovely.
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I have been thinking the same recently and ended up looking for the plans the Gary Chalk did in the Wargames Illistrated magazine a good few years back, but do you think I can find them ?
I can’t even find them on the web.
If anyone has a copy of his plans I would much appreciate it.
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Made by a friend:
(http://www.argad-bzh.fr/heb/soudan2013/soudan-anoriant2013-6.jpg)
(http://www.argad-bzh.fr/heb/soudan2013/soudan-anoriant2013-10.jpg)
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Sarissa Precision have these 2
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Did you look at Old Glory? http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/categories.asp?cat=17
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I've a little free time in February (which my sons booked to build him a paddle or tramp steamer. For his pulp games).
So if it's of help or interest to anyone . I'll be more than happy to run a 'Tales from the Tin shed' thread/tutorial then.
I was planning on a maximum budget of 20 hours and between £3-£12 ,,depending on time I might have to buy a deck gun.Rather than make one (hence the budget being over a £1,and 20 hours)
Mark.
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Flat pack
I will have the Gary Chalk plans. I can scan them over the holidays of you still need them.
John
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Built my own Steam Ship
(https://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/Pulp%20Submarine/DSC_0764_zpsd0mx2xn3.jpg)
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Oh after seeing all these great scratch built examples of steam vessels how can you not be tempted to try to build one...come to think of it I’m tempted myself!
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Oh after seeing all these great scratch built examples of steam vessels how can you not be tempted to try to build one...
Not tempted at all, I'm afraid. Eric the Shed's is rather nice, but it isn't exactly what most people have in mind when talking about a steamer for colonial gaming. It looks a bit too big and ocean-going to be sent on an expedition up the Congo or the Zambezi.
And while the simple home-made design is something of a classic among colonial gamers, to my eye they look a tad too blocky, toy-like and unrealistic. Sorry, not trying to belittle anyone's time and effort, but they aren't my cup of tea. I'm certainly not saying I could do better, just that I personally would rather pay money to have something nicer like those Sarissa ones posted above. I haven't seen anything on this page yet that would make me choose home-made over shop-bought.
And while it is nice that you are all posting your work here, the original poster was asking for manufacturers that make them. We are slightly in danger of that request being forgotten and this turning into a "post your steamer here" thread. We should definitely have one of those though, just maybe not in his request thread.
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I am not a big fan of mdf lasercuts but those Sarissa came together quite nicely.
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The aforementioned companies are predominantly the most readily available. However the posting of examples of scratch builds.
Hits on the major points of using these types of boats on a table.
Do you build the terrain to accommodate a premade kit or hope to god you can find a kit to fit your existing terrain.
Or do you go down the route of scratch building so you get a boat that fits your terrain.
Which leads to another issue of taste and practicality .
Do you treat a boat as terrain ,or as a figure. In short your boat is an odd shaped hill.
Or a rivet counters delight.
The mdf route will always be a halfway house.It can be detailed up or left in the dollied state in comes in . Quiet frankly you can scratch build something far better in cereal packet card before the mdf one would arrive in the post.
The resin examples are often of a higher level of detail (not all of them) but they're going to make a bigger dent in your budget. Also they're a weight which is fun to move around your table
Consequently they're going to be tougher on both themselves and the table (you don't pick 28mm boats up to move them across the board, you tend to push them.)
So Rob It may help if you note if your starting from scratch or you've existing boards.
Because dimensions and budget will definitely your choices..
Mark.
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I appreciate all of the posts. While I did ask about manufactures boats I am, as it happens, just as interested in the home made scratch built variety. I am getting inspired to make my own, and the Gary Chalk plans might be a useful starting point, although that sarrissa one is also catching my eye...
In short, please continue to suggest ideas, even if they are scratch built, as I am undecided.
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Last Stand Dan has several ships available.
http://laststanddan.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-last-stand-dan-boatyard-boat.html?m=0
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Rob,
Since your open to ideas,
pop a few pictures in your thread of what you had in mind and I'll build one,and run a thread on how too. As my son hasn't a specific design in mind and quite frankly it'll cure the massive bout of CBA, I get when I'm using my spare time.
It should help you decide on your preferred route if nothing else(plus I'd not have to do any research😉)
Another side-tracking possibility ,Have a word with Simon at 1st corps. As the air boats were 90% moulded last time I spoke to him. These will take a 4-5 25mm round bases quite happily.(a little late for some as they're circa 1910-30 but definitely different and easier to store.)
Mark.
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John
I would love a copy of the Gary Chalk plans if that is possible.
Many thanks
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Rob
Thanks for bringing this subject up, as it’s all about having fun, be it making your own, or buying an mdf one and using it. Saying that, I haven’t seen an mdf one made and used on the forum yet.
I have started to go down the road of gathering items to scratch build some type of paddle steamer. I’ve even invested cash in a couple of water wheels in mdf from Blotz, that I thought I could mount either side of the hull.
One thing I can’t find in the uk, is suppliers of funnels, steps, doors, ships wheels, mounted guns etc, for ships in 28mm scale. I’ve seen adverts for companies in the US but nothing in the UK. Any help on this subject would be willingly accepted.
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Hi Rob, hope all is well. You've started an interesting thread with some awesome replies! My favorite steamboat, paddle boat, gunboat, and dhow mfgr's is Last Stand Dan. Check out his website for the various models and prices. He'll even make something custom for you. Great durable models at affordable prices made for war gaming by a Wargamer. Check out my blog too for pics of his Dhows, gunboats, and paddle boats in action.
Cheers,
JB
http://laststanddan.blogspot.com
http://sgtguinness.blogspot.com
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This is my scratch build, if it is of any help:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Completed_Full.JPG)
Full thread here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.315
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.315)
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Very nice thread!
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2zyPFW561Mw/WkGeVtthzbI/AAAAAAAACNA/13_GxYhGTW8J1ChnpVBrixL88DJfd7qaQCLcBGAs/s1600/L%2BClass%2B%2528M1900%2529%2B-%2B8.jpg)
The new Lucas Class (Model 1900) Gunboat has arrived!
Dan from Last Stand Dan's Boatyard and blog has designed and completed building the first production run of his newest design the Lucas (L) Class (M1900) Gunboat. This model can be used for the late 1800's into the early 1900's depending on the paint scheme and weaponry. It's a great model with plenty of diversity. I think it can be used in multiple theaters and time periods. I've got to get me one of these gunboats ASAP! I can see this boat doing duty from the Nile, to the Med, to the Yangtze, and beyond.....
Here's the link to Last Stand Dan's Bostyard page.
http://laststanddan.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-last-stand-dan-boatyard-boat.html?m=0
More pics on my blog.
http://sgtguinness.blogspot.com/2017/12/new-l-class-m1900-gunboat-arrives.html?m=1
This is an great thread. I love gunboats and have seen some really awesome ones posted in this thread.
Cheers,
JB
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Hammers, That boat is absolutely incredible! You are a master model maker sir. What material did you use for the canvas and what did you use for the funnel top?
Happy New Years.
Cheers,
JB
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Thank you!
The canvas: a pair of old boxer shorts
The funnel top: 0.8 mm sheet plastic wrapped around a wood dovel and cut to the shape of a crown.
Much of the build process is in the thread.
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My steamer was based on the Gary Chalk plans, but got bigger.....
Almost completed model:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/Darkest%20Africa/Steamer/Steamer10.jpg)
The final finished steamer: HMS Bluebottle commanded by Major Denis Bloodnok, coward and bar
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/Darkest%20Africa/Steamer/Steamer17.jpg)
Some details of the build can be found here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=36607.30
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What a great thread! A number of these steam ships are amazing even if Hammer's is my favourite.
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What a great thread! A number of these steam ships are amazing even if Hammer's is my favourite.
Before you up yourr mind you should take a look at Admiral Benbow’s barky. His is what inspired me.
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Miniature Building Authority also make a rather nice steamboat.
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I've found a Chinese toy paddle-steamer that I intend to convert into a colonial New Zealand Wars armed gunboat. It's the wrong scale as is, but by changing the wheel-house into a larger one more suited to 28mm figures, the result should be a small paddle-steamer, similar to HMCS Avon.
Here are a few of the pics from my blog - more info here: https://arteis.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/converting-a-toy-paddle-steamer-into-a-colonial-gunboat/
(https://arteis.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/20180112_212940.jpg)
(https://arteis.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/20180112_213010.jpg)
(https://arteis.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/diy-strong-bow-paddle-wheel-electric-powered.jpg)
(https://arteis.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/production_cover-108194352_large11.jpg)
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Arteis,
As Rob's question has morphed into an interesting look at other peoples solutions rather than just a look hear series of answers.
I don't want to highjack it with a Q&A run of posts.
It's an interesting idea. In all honesty I'd like to see you write a thread on the forum.
As l imagine that white section on the hull will be a god send when(if) you waterline the hull.
Plus I'm intrigued to see how you tackle the superstructure
Mark.
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The PMC gunboat(s) are based on an MDF hull piece.
(https://myalbum.com/photo/KjDV7b8RuKA2/540.jpg)
Now sold by Caliver Books.
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The PMC gunboat(s) are based on an M.D. hull piece.
(https://myalbum.com/photo/KjDV7b8RuKA2/540.jpg)
Now sold by Caliver Books.
I can't find them on their website...are they still in production?
Also I found this waterwheel which might be useful for scratch builders?
http://blotz.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=135
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Bought 2 of those water wheels from Blotz at the Reading show, and was planning on using them on a scratch build.
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I can't find them on their website...are they still in production?
Also I found this waterwheel which might be useful for scratch builders?
http://blotz.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=135
They make it hard to find them on the site ( luckily I had it bookmarked.)
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=15&CategoryID=61&SubCategoryID=313 (http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=15&CategoryID=61&SubCategoryID=313)