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Miniatures Adventure => Interwar => Topic started by: Musketeer on 13 May 2009, 11:54:35 AM
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Here are the latest packs from Mr Hicks. Workers Militia and Command. :)
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Is that a Lancaster SMG that the first figure on the left is holding? I think it’s the first time I see one in 28mm… 8)
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Lanchester.
I wouldn't think so. They didn't come out until 1941, as far as I know, and were exclusively issued to the Royal Navy. Of course, things might be different in the world of ECW3.
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It's the infamous Bergman!
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Wasn't the Lanchester just a like for like copy of the Bergmann?
I think I remember reading that somehwere
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Forgot to actually comment on the figures which I think are really nice btw!
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It was a copy of the Bergman, but with little differences.
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really nice minis !!!! :-*
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I think all the ECW3 figures are really, really nice. It's a shame I think the background concept is so awful.
Are these useable as early war WW2 home guard?
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I think all the ECW3 figures are really, really nice. It's a shame I think the background concept is so awful.
Are these useable as early war WW2 home guard?
I wouldn't say it is awful, improbable yes but awful no. Plus it is jolly good fun and produces lots of usable figures for pulp and interwar vehicles which as got to be a good thing.
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I've got to agree I don't like the concept but the figures and vehicles are very useable in pulp/interwar settings. Never a bad thing.
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AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Must Have !!
I buy the other stuff a few weeks ago so I need these stuff too .
When will they be in the shop (or when did Miniaturicum) get them .
Other question what about the IRA Guys with pistols ?
cheers Grimm
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Very nice figures :-*
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I was just thinking maybe my wife won't notice if I order them with a different address... Hehe (evil snicker).
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Yet another great set - I can feel the pain in my wallet already!
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I could use a little help with this concept, as I recently ordered the "Toff" (a word we don't use in the USA) and British Militia.
I get that the BUFs are fascists. I get that the IRA are seperatists. I suspect that the auxiliaries (the Black and Tans) would be on the side of the fascists, fighting for a centralized, authoritarian government. The new Workers Militia would be fighting against a centralized government; being Socialists/Communists of some sort. The Toff and the British Militia go together, right? And I assume they would also be on the side of a traditional, royalist, authoritarian, centralized government, right?
So if I have this right, and likenining this to the Spanish Civil War, one side of the third English Civil War would be BUFs, Black-and-Tans, and British Militia (headed by Toffs), versus, on the other side, Workers Militia and IRA; yes?
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I could use a little help with this concept, as I recently ordered the "Toff" (a word we don't use in the USA) and British Militia.
I get that the BUFs are fascists. I get that the IRA are seperatists. I suspect that the auxiliaries (the Black and Tans) would be on the side of the fascists, fighting for a centralized, authoritarian government. The new Workers Militia would be fighting against a centralized government; being Socialists/Communists of some sort. The Toff and the British Militia go together, right? And I assume they would also be on the side of a traditional, royalist, authoritarian, centralized government, right?
So if I have this right, and likenining this to the Spanish Civil War, one side of the third English Civil War would be BUFs, Black-and-Tans, and British Militia (headed by Toffs), versus, on the other side, Workers Militia and IRA; yes?
Forget the IRA & Black and Tans, they are essentially for the Irish wars of Independance.
The concept of the "Very British Civil War" is that Mosley (Fascist) has been asked to form a government by the king (another fascist) the B.U.F (British Union of Fascists) are Mosley's private army, combined with Loyalist Army units, the Auxilary Constabulary ( coppers with guns) and various armed factions of right-wing persuasion ( most of whom would be likely to be upper class twits. like your Toff. with their estate workers acting as troops) coupled with support from the likes of Hitler and Mussolini.
Against them are the various Left-Wing groups, they being your freedom fighters, workers militia, foreign interventionalist etc. and Anglican league (god squad with guns) they could have support from Stalin, and possibly the ~French, who had a Popular Front government at the time.
Nice figs, with a lot of good uses.
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So it sounds like I've got it about right then.
Surely the IRA would make use of the mess to partner up with other anti-government factions?
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So it sounds liek I've got it about right then.
Surely the IRA would make use of the mess to partner up with other anti-government factions?
It is certainly in the Source book as an avenue to explore as are the Irish Blue Shirt national socialists.
I am a little surprised as some negative comments on a Pulp forum about the concept being unlikely? when we regularly game, paint and discuss the bizarre and improbable ;D
Lovely figures BTW Mr Hicks something for my Royalists to get their teeth into
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Don't get me wrong I think it's a really good idea but I like my pulp to be a bit more exotic!
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I am a little surprised as some negative comments on a Pulp forum about the concept being unlikely? when we regularly game, paint and discuss the bizarre and improbable ;D
Actually, the critics said the concept is "awful" and not liked. It was a defender who said it was merely "improbable".
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I am a little surprised as some negative comments on a Pulp forum about the concept being unlikely? when we regularly game, paint and discuss the bizarre and improbable ;D
Actually, the critics said the concept is "awful" and not liked. It was a defender who said it was merely "improbable".
True Mancha :D
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I actually saw the Toff being based on Berty Wooster as anti Fascist judging by his contempt for Spode and his Black Shorts in the books.
I tried to make the figures so that you could use them for any faction you want. Just let your imagination run wild.
Paul
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I tried to make the figures so that you could use them for any faction you want. Just let your imagination run wild.
Paul
No problem with that... ;D
Rudi
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Don't get me wrong I think it's a really good idea but I like my pulp to be a bit more exotic!
More exotic ?
But you come from the great metropolis of York !
To us, exotic is a trawler with pink paintwork....
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Top stuff. :-* :-*
I would still love a Ukulele carrying northern cheeky chappy for the Anarchists. .. he would need a gun too.
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How about a set with one seated militia MG gunner (that could double for a vehicle driver with some fiddling) and 3 other figures standing, looking being idle, but perfectly OK for a gun crew (sort of open handed figures)?
They could be used as the MG gunners assistent, artillery crew, prisoners of war, orderly duties, runners of the staff and a number of other duties, including air wardens for WWII, if they had helmets. This sort of set would be more profitable to produce since it would appeal to more people (or in larger numbers to the same customer).
Rudi
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Top stuff. :-* :-*
I would still love a Ukulele carrying northern cheeky chappy for the Anarchists. .. he would need a gun too.
Surely a lamp post as well :)
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Surely the IRA would make use of the mess to partner up with other anti-government factions?
IRA interests at the time were entirely in Ireland and frankly the main player would probably be the Irish government, not the IRA. Their objective would be to unify the country by taking the North. This would place them in conflict with the Protestant Loyalist majority in the North (who oddly often had left wing politics) and their Government supporters on the British Mainland (usually right wing). Then add in the historical Irish 'Blueshirts' (Irish fascists, many of whom were ex-IRA ultra-nationalists) who historically served in the Spanish Civil War with Franco and might well have involved themselves in any British Civil War and it all gets very complicated. Essentially you could expect to see various Irish factions becoming involved on every side.
The Black and Tans themselves are unique to the Irish War of Independence but many held right wing politics and no doubt would have gone on to serve with right-wing forces in the BCW.
(Genuine Irishmen or experts can correct me.)
The BCW itself is essentially Right against Left with both sides covering a whole spectrum of beliefs. The Right supported by the fascist regimes (Germany, Italy etc.) and the Left by communists and socialists (Soviets, French etc.). Like you'd expect there is a hugely broad spectrum so you could expect to see toff's fighting for left-wing forces or anti-Soviet anarchists fighting for the right-wing forces. There's such a wide range you can pretty much create forces however you want. Like all civil wars its messy.
Absolutely superb miniatures. Very characterful.
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How about a set with one seated militia MG gunner (that could double for a vehicle driver with some fiddling) and 3 other figures standing, looking being idle, but perfectly OK for a gun crew (sort of open handed figures)?
They could be used as the MG gunners assistent, artillery crew, prisoners of war, orderly duties, runners of the staff and a number of other duties, including air wardens for WWII, if they had helmets. This sort of set would be more profitable to produce since it would appeal to more people (or in larger numbers to the same customer).
Rudi
Yes, such packs (and if possible with separate heads, plus several sets of heads in various headgears) are very useful!
I always wished to have such a set with sailors outfits, too.
And another humble suggestion: A set of women. At this era women started to be very active even in combat units (see SCW!) So, some women in shirts (and tie) and skirts, will be suitable for joining some of the fractions already described, even in this thread!
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Yep I am CONSTANTLY tripping over wierd and wonderful things in York!
The weather here is just terrific too! I suppose you'd know being from Scarborough ;)
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When BCW entered the public domain, someone described it as the "Lebanon with lewis guns" as all factions are capable of fighting all other factions. The left is split, the BUF and Regulars are not happy allies etc. So some people don't see it purely in terms of left and right; there are Yorkists who support the monarchy, but want to see the Duke of York on the throne. All this gives opportunites for short term alliances and unusual allies. But generally see below;
"So if I have this right, and likenining this to the Spanish Civil War, one side of the third English (We prefer British as the Scots, Welsh and Irish are not English) Civil War would be BUFs, Black-and-Tans, and British Militia (headed by Toffs), the Household Brigade, the RAF, some TA, the Police, versus, on the other side, Workers Militia and IRA plus Anglicans, Yorkists, some TA and regular army, royal navy ratings, local defence forces.; yes?"
I think its plausibilty is one of its attractions; Mosley at least thought he would form a govt under Edward VIII and spent the rest of his life waiting for that call. Also, the unregulated nature of the idea, with no one set of rules or Codex telling you what you can and can't do, plus for us Brits, the chance to set the war in our own backyards, with quaint weaponary and uniforms.
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The Workers Militia packs are now available on our website :)
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I ordered 20 figs from Musketeer Miniatures and payed them wíth PayPal june 25. Today it´s september 25 and I still haven´t got them.
I send Bill and Hazel over ten mails and a letter but they never answer. =(
Mattias in Sweden.
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Bill has moved to Manchester.
It took 3 weeks for them to connect his phone and he didn't have internet access from home yet (last I heard) he has almost finished setting up his business again.
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Bill has moved to Manchester.
It took 3 weeks for them to connect his phone and he didn't have internet access from home yet (last I heard) he has almost finished setting up his business again.
OK! Well, I hope he will send me the minis when his business is up again. I love his detailed figs.
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Send him a PM, he might be able to browse the boards.
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Yeah, that could be I god idea! Thanks!
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Actually, the critics (on Pulp Forum) said the concept is "awful" and not liked. It was a defender who said it was merely "improbable".
I am new and just catching up so sorry if I am lagging too far behind. Does anyone interested in the VBCW care what the Pulp board thinks. This episode is no more "pulp" than is the Spanish Civil War, or the IWI. Pulp is about flamboyant detectives and flashy dames, and cults and space monsters, and adventurers tracking down mummies. As far as I can see, VBCW is about battles among political factions in UK in the late 1938 over the control of the government. Alternative history like Harry Turtledove creating an alternative world in which to set battles. Skirmish battles-- large and small. Figures made for the Pulp genre are certainly useful for including in these skirmish games, but this is not pulp fiction gaming.
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I am new and just catching up so sorry if I am lagging too far behind. Does anyone interested in the VBCW care what the Pulp board thinks. This episode is no more "pulp" than is the Spanish Civil War, or the IWI. Pulp is about flamboyant detectives and flashy dames, and cults and space monsters, and adventurers tracking down mummies. As far as I can see, VBCW is about battles among political factions in UK in the late 1938 over the control of the government. Alternative history like Harry Turtledove creating an alternative world in which to set battles. Skirmish battles-- large and small. Figures made for the Pulp genre are certainly useful for including in these skirmish games, but this is not pulp fiction gaming.
You're so right. Exactly the way I feel, BUT, since it is an "alternative setting", people can't be stopped if they want to include "true pulp" stuff, so it seems VBCW (as for now) is in a subcategory: "alternative 20C history". Perhaps later followed by "Weird VBCW" (I hope not!!! lol).
Rudi
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one can also want to make a very sharp distinction.
Under such circumstances, "Pulp" would follow the original timeline and exaggerate minor details that would have been probable.
In that context, VBCW is alternative history since the timeline is altered.
The very notion of Pulp as I see it is that everything is contrasted to the extreme and there are no grey shades.
Following that concept, there could be alternative history Pulp and OTL Pulp, but always with a twist to RPG, thus allowing to exaggerate the actions of the main characters.
The problem with people being rather rigid about the historical context is that they always forget that wargaming is in fact "alternate history", otherwise You would simply set up the battle and unroll a preset action sequence.
Since everyone should game along their own taste and inclination, the only approach is to be tolerant of what others want to do. Minor alterations are better done with the appropriate sense of proportion (but this again is a very subjective matter).
Having allied agents running amok behind german lines in france might be acceptable, blowing up nazi leaders in a cinema might not.
Nazis trying to aquire archaeological artefacts might be acceptable, them doing this in Egypt and performing "ancient jewish" rituals might not.
As with everything, it is a matter of taste and acceptance.
Trying to "convince" other gamers that they are gaming "wrong", because historically inaccurate certainly does not align with the above stated approach (and is as by my personal view, grossely intrusive and anal retentive ;))
all in all a rather dispensable discussion
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I am quite curious as to how anyone interested in Pulp could consider this or any concept 'awful'. Could it be because Mosley hasn't got a secret island base and an army of trained gorillas to do his bidding? Or that he has yet to develop a 'death ray'? Pulp is a very broad heading in which you find extremes and improbabilities, whether they are based in reality or science fiction. I'll echo former users comments and put it down to one or two guys telling others they are 'doing it wrong'.
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I am quite curious as to how anyone interested in Pulp could consider this or any concept 'awful'. Could it be because Mosley hasn't got a secret island base and an army of trained gorillas to do his bidding? Or that he has yet to develop a 'death ray'? Pulp is a very broad heading in which you find extremes and improbabilities, whether they are based in reality or science fiction.
I totally agree with you. I would also add that the BUF make excellent pulp baddies.
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I totally agree with you. I would also add that the BUF make excellent pulp baddies.
That's what I've considered them for. Generic troops of some regime more concerned with the spiffiness of the uniforms than the quality of the troops, or similar. The Presidential Guard of Lower Slobovian, or the smartly-attired troops of the Emir of Outer Blarghistan, say. ("A very forward-looking chap, the Emir. I'm sure we'll be able to do business with him, what!")
My interest in the actual '38 British Civil War is minimal, but I like the variety of figures coming out because of it!