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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Lardy Rich on September 01, 2019, 07:31:59 AM
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Morning all. We are just starting out playtesting Infamy, Infamy, our forthcoming Ancient skirmish rules. Thus far, my forces are largely Warlord, but I was wondering how Victrix compared for size? Any thoughts on using them together?
Rich.
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Morning all. We are just starting out playtesting Infamy, Infamy, our forthcoming Ancient skirmish rules. Thus far, my forces are largely Warlord, but I was wondering how Victrix compared for size? Any thoughts on using them together?
Rich.
Victrix are slightly bigger and bulkier, they have similar proportions with Perry wotr minis.
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Morning all. We are just starting out playtesting Infamy, Infamy, our forthcoming Ancient skirmish rules. Thus far, my forces are largely Warlord, but I was wondering how Victrix compared for size? Any thoughts on using them together?
Rich.
In my opinion, Victrix are the superior figures, especially the more recent sets (Victrix Gauls are superb). You should be able to get away with using them together I'd have thought...
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Seconded, especially the later sets, the Victrix figs are really good. I have the Carthaginian and the Republican sets, and they are also very good value for money.
I suspect they may just have moved up the paint queue, but I will wait and see, I normally play big battle rules for ancients, but the popularity of series' by Scarrow, Peake etc makes me think there might be more of a market than I realised.
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A plastic Warlord Roman Legionary may look noticeably small next to a Victrix one. I looked into the same thing when I had a few Warlord plastic sprues laying about but really liked the look of Victrix.
One from a review:
(https://i.imgur.com/t0Vz7H3.jpg)
I suspect that the size difference would be less jarring between the non-Roman/less uniformed nations.
Also, I am much excited at the prospect of Ancient Skirmish rules from TFL!
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Remember that the Warlord lines come from multiple sources.
The plastic Romans and Celts were there first ranges and IIRC the Romans were deliberately made smaller than the Celts because they were shorter in real life. At least that is what was put about at the time. The plastic Greeks came from Stephen May's range, the name of which eludes me, and then they acquired the Cutting Edge ancients.
When I compared the Warlord and Victrix Greeks I found the Victrix slightly larger - very noticeably in the helmets, IMO. The Warlord Spartans also have the shields sculpted onto the arms which was an issue as I often like to swap out the shields.
I bought some Cutting Edge ancients from Warlord in one of their summer sales and was surprised at how slight in build they were.
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Here are some Warlord bodies with Victrix heads on them. The slings are from Gripping Beast.
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Remember that the Warlord lines come from multiple sources.
Indeed. I was careful to be specific about the Legionary plastics, although I suppose I shouldn't have assumed Lardy Rich's forces were Romans/Celts.
If I recall, the May sculpted Hoplites are quite small, possibly even smaller than the Romans!
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No I don't think May's Greeks were smaller. I wish I could remember the company name - it's on the tip of my tongue. "Immortal Miniatures" - is that it? Anyway, I recall them being slim but not short and when I compared them with Victrix the thing I most remember was how large the Victrix heads were. The Immortal heads seemed small but the Victrix heads seemed large. We are talking Armoured Greek heads.
re. Warlord Romans, I think the Caesarian Romans might have been made larger than the originals but I can't confirm that 100%
re. Victrix - there was an issue with the horses ridden by some of the cavalry. Too small it appeared. Was that just wargamer ignorance about how large/small the horses (or ponies) actually were back in ancient time, or was it actually an issue?
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The First boxes of Victrix Greek indeed they have larger sized heads, an issue fixed in the later sets.
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Many thanks for those responses. That does tell me exactly what I want to know. I think I'll keep all of my Romans as Warlord but will branch out with Other nations.
The forces are Sharp Practice size so I'm keen to get a number of armies for my collection in addition to the variety of playtesting forces we already have.
Cheers
Rich.
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Warlord Imperial Roman figures were sculpted to match the Perry Romans that Wargames Foundry sells.
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My observation would be that the Victrix figures on the whole are head and shoulders above the competition. I suspect that once you start playing with Victrix you will probably be very tempted to replace your Warlord Romans, although those are by no means the worst plastics around.
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Shabharaz, funnily enough I rather like the Warlord Germans and Britons I have, but the Romans are less to my taste. The Auxilia are fine, but the Legion are a bit odd in that they have a very cartoon like style. But then my Auxilia are metal and my Legionaries are plastic and I do find with WWII that the Warlord plastics are more stylised.
Gibby's picture above is a quite a shocking comparison. The Victrix figures are in a different league.
Why do I always discover these things when I am several hundred quid into a project...
Postscript: I have just been to the Victrix site and am now crying into my cocoa. I missed a trick there. Their Romans are superb and their Gallic Warriors are amazing. Bugger.
Thanks again.
Rich
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Sorry, but hey, it happens to all of us, like me converting a plastic Warlord Pz IV for the CoC Blitzkrieg handbook, just before Rubicon released their early Pz IV.
Cheers
Doug
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I felt compelled to replace my plastic WW2 Soviet platoon with the much superior (IMO) Artizan and Crusader metals. Whether or not I would've made the same move if my collection was already into the hundreds, I'm unsure, but I can empathise with the pain!
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Shabharaz, funnily enough I rather like the Warlord Germans and Britons I have, but the Romans are less to my taste. The Auxilia are fine, but the Legion are a bit odd in that they have a very cartoon like style. But then my Auxilia are metal and my Legionaries are plastic and I do find with WWII that the Warlord plastics are more stylised.
Gibby's picture above is a quite a shocking comparison. The Victrix figures are in a different league.
Why do I always discover these things when I am several hundred quid into a project...
Postscript: I have just been to the Victrix site and am now crying into my cocoa. I missed a trick there. Their Romans are superb and their Gallic Warriors are amazing. Bugger.
Thanks again.
Rich
In fairness, there must be around a decade between the Warlord Games and Victrix Gauls - not only will that account for some differences in quality, it also means you may perhaps not have been able to purchase the Victrix models yet at the time. Can always add some Victrix ones in, can't have too many "barbarians" surely?
Victrix Greeks mix quite well with Warlord Games Macedonians by the way (own sculpts, not the smaller former-Immortal-Miniatures-Greeks), which is useful in interested in marching rather than standing poses.
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Gibby's picture above is a quite a shocking comparison. The Victrix figures are in a different league.
Why do I always discover these things when I am several hundred quid into a project...
Postscript: I have just been to the Victrix site and am now crying into my cocoa. I missed a trick there. Their Romans are superb and their Gallic Warriors are amazing. Bugger.
I feel your pain. I was pleasantly surprised to visit this forum for the first time and find my own picture above! (it comes from my mostly-board-game related painting blog https://boardgamegeek.com/blog/8627/griff-glowens-beginners-painting-blog (https://boardgamegeek.com/blog/8627/griff-glowens-beginners-painting-blog)) Here is a painted comparison (I had to use centurion Warlord romans as I haven't painted the basic ones yet).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/46/15855-210520091557.jpeg)
My first foray into historicals was buying some second hand Warlord romans but when I bought a small sprue of Victrix I wished I had gone with them from the start. Part of me hoped that Victrix would be much more expensive but they aren't!
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Warlord Imperial Roman figures were sculpted to match the Perry Romans that Wargames Foundry sells.
If that was the intention they certainly failed! I have a lot of the Perry Roman figures crouching and thrusting the sword. He is a head taller than the Warlord stationery figure, and his bunk and shield are notably bigger.
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It seems that the big issue is different sculptors and while Victrix scaling is pretty consistent across their ranges, Warlord have acquired different ranges from different sculptors and different manufacturers. So consistency is an issue.
My Celts are largely Newline so far, Romans & Carthaginians are Victrix and Greeks are Immortal Miniatures (now Warlord). Mixing them would be an issue, but they are generally in different armies, what is a real issue is when the Legions and Auxilia are scaled quite differently (Warlord). I hate when one 'side' has different scales or basing within their force.
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Why do I always discover these things when I am several hundred quid into a project...
Postscript: I have just been to the Victrix site and am now crying into my cocoa. I missed a trick there. Their Romans are superb and their Gallic Warriors are amazing. Bugger.
Thanks again.
Rich
You could always sell on your substandard stuff and ask Victrix for a celebrity discount if you promote their product (either in print or on one of your YouTube broadcasts, or both). After all, magazine reviewers get freebies to review (and you do occasionally write in magazines) so a discount might not be impossible.
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Ouch! - but when is he ever going to get positive feedback from WG after that.. :) I mean, not that that ever happens anyway... oh...
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Well,,this thread came back from the dead.
I’ve ended up building about ten different armies for Infamy, Infamy! Chiefly I went with Foundry in the end as I found their ranges to be comprehensive and really nice sculpts. Some of them, like the Copplestine sculpted Germans are, to my eye, the best figures I’ve ever painted.
I rather abandoned plastics as not being robust enough for my personal needs. My figures do a lot of mileage, going round the shows and Lardy games days, so metal suits me better as there are less prone to broken spears. That said, if you replace the plastic spears with metal ones, Victrux figures are incredibly beautiful. Our house artist has painted a lot of them for use inside the rule book; they are simply stunning. I’ll post some later.
I have to say that the idea of a quid pro quo, where I get cheap figures based on then promoting them isn’t something that I’d even consider. We do a lot of product recommendation on the Lardy Oddcast, but always based on what we have bought and liked, never as a repayment for discounts.
Cheers
Rich
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I really like the Foundry sculpts as well, but when in lockdown, between jobs, I ended up picking up a bunch of Newline Celts cheaply on eBay. I'm using Victrix plastics for my Romans.
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I have to say that the idea of a quid pro quo, where I get cheap figures based on then promoting them isn’t something that I’d even consider. We do a lot of product recommendation on the Lardy Oddcast, but always based on what we have bought and liked, never as a repayment for discounts.
Rich
A refreshingly honest approach.
I can obviously be bought too easily - but if anyone sends me anything to review I will comment if it's plug ugly.
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I rather abandoned plastics as not being robust enough for my personal needs.
I agree.
I love plastics though - I rather like putting them together and getting subtle pose differences.
Yes, changing the spears helps. (but the swords, bows, pila, slings, etc ...)
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Didnt Warlord update their old Romans to better match their newer models, those old were their first and are really small.
I think their newer Romans are larger?
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Didnt Warlord update their old Romans to better match their newer models, those old were their first and are really small.
I think their newer Romans are larger?
What newer Romans?
Their Late Republican Romans which also appear in SPQR are larger but the plastic boxed sets of EIR are still the same basically 25mm guys so far as I'm aware.
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One thing people forget is that most Romans were shorter than many of their opponents. So appearing to be 25mm is actually a good representation of a 28mm person.
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One thing people forget is that most Romans were shorter than many of their opponents. So appearing to be 25mm is actually a good representation of a 28mm person.
I’ve heard many people try to tell themselves that ... :D
If they’re in different units, no one is going to really make a big deal of it.