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Title: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RedRowan on 09 January 2020, 02:23:45 PM
What books would people recommend for an introduction to the Indian Mutiny? I have the Osprey Essential Histories title and have ordered the Osprey MAA one but what else do people feel is worth a read?

Thanks

Steve
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: sakura11 on 09 January 2020, 02:28:24 PM
Hi
The indiam mutiny by saul david is excellent
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Atheling on 09 January 2020, 02:30:33 PM
The best book by far that I have read is, Our Bones Are Scattered, Andrew Ward which was suggestion made to me by Col. Mike Snook when he first started the Iron Duke Indian Mutiny range.

It's a brilliantly evocative accurate historical narrative. He is an American historian so avoids any potential jingoistic pitfalls, not that this is usually a problem nowadays.

Amazon have copies here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Our-Bones-Are-Scattered-Massacres/dp/0805024379 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Our-Bones-Are-Scattered-Massacres/dp/0805024379)

Of course, there's an absolute wealth of information (including the all important maps) on the Iron Duke website here:
https://www.irondukeminiatures.co.uk/historical-notes (https://www.irondukeminiatures.co.uk/historical-notes)

I hope that's of some help to you?
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: sjwalker51 on 09 January 2020, 03:44:38 PM
“The Great Mutiny” (Hibbert) is a good overall introduction.

I’d second “Our Bones...” on Cawnpore. “A Season in Hell” (Edwardes) is good for Lucknow. “The Last Mughal” (Dalrymple) and “Rifles & Kukris” (Wallace) for Delhi.

“Naval Brigades in the Indian Mutiny”. (Rowbotham) is a good read and
Leonaur publish a lot of contemporary accounts of the Mutiny.

Definitely worth looking at the Iron Duke Miniatures website for a wealth of information  and the FIBI wiki is a great online resource.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Andrew_McGuire on 09 January 2020, 04:49:22 PM
Saul David's The Indian Mutiny is a fairly recent overview of the entire conflict which appears fair and reasonably authoritative. (I haven't read much else so am not in a position to say how it compares to other works mentioned).


https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0141005548?psc=1&pf_rd_p=cab8f866-27b2-438f-8f39-1084eece4906&pf_rd_r=CYQ93026Q83HSG6D76G7&pd_rd_wg=QrmUY&pd_rd_i=0141005548&pd_rd_w=Ju6aT&pd_rd_r=49b13af4-6544-41cb-96fe-fc4209995b63&ref_=pd_luc_rh_crh_rh_sbs_sem_01_02_t_img_lh

From about the same publication date, there is also a study of the British army during the Mutiny, which should provide some of the military detail required for gaming it:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0141005548?psc=1&pf_rd_p=cab8f866-27b2-438f-8f39-1084eece4906&pf_rd_r=CYQ93026Q83HSG6D76G7&pd_rd_wg=QrmUY&pd_rd_i=0141005548&pd_rd_w=Ju6aT&pd_rd_r=49b13af4-6544-41cb-96fe-fc4209995b63&ref_=pd_luc_rh_crh_rh_sbs_sem_01_02_t_img_lh
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Atheling on 09 January 2020, 05:44:48 PM
From about the same publication date, there is also a study of the British army during the Mutiny, which should provide some of the military detail required for gaming it:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0141005548?psc=1&pf_rd_p=cab8f866-27b2-438f-8f39-1084eece4906&pf_rd_r=CYQ93026Q83HSG6D76G7&pd_rd_wg=QrmUY&pd_rd_i=0141005548&pd_rd_w=Ju6aT&pd_rd_r=49b13af4-6544-41cb-96fe-fc4209995b63&ref_=pd_luc_rh_crh_rh_sbs_sem_01_02_t_img_lh

(Actually the link above just leads to the Saul book on Amazon)

Wow! I wasn't aware of the British Army study one- thanks :)
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RedRowan on 09 January 2020, 05:54:40 PM
Thanks guys, really appreciate it. Had completely missed the Historical Notes section on Mike’s site.

Steve
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: OB on 09 January 2020, 07:08:05 PM
I found think William Russell's War Diary to be very useful.  He also covered the Crimean War for the Times. First class journalism from a man on the spot who knew how wars were fought.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Indian-Mutiny-Diary-William-Russell/dp/0527781207

Hibbert is very good too.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: dadlamassu on 09 January 2020, 08:29:29 PM
Many yeas ago I did a lot of research and published it on my website.

http://www.morvalearth.co.uk/Indian%20Mutiny/Indian_mutiny_index.htm (http://www.morvalearth.co.uk/Indian%20Mutiny/Indian_mutiny_index.htm)

Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RedRowan on 09 January 2020, 09:01:41 PM
Some great links here, thanks guys.

Have ordered a copy of ‘Our bones are scattered’ and added the Saul and Hibbert books to my wish list to start with.  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Atheling on 09 January 2020, 10:36:40 PM
Some great links here, thanks guys.

Have ordered a copy of ‘Our bones are scattered’ and added the Saul and Hibbert books to my wish list to start with.  :)

Steve

I should perhaps have warned you, Our Bones Are Scattered is quite harrowing. I think you'll find it a gripping and informative read.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Blackwolf on 09 January 2020, 11:34:13 PM
Siege of Krishnapur by J G Farrel,a fictionalized account and very good.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: FifteensAway on 10 January 2020, 05:45:57 AM
Glad to see Edwarde's A Season in Hell mentioned.  I still find it the best book on the period I've read, much better than the Hibbert book which is okay (read it twice and the second read was a bit of a slog to be honest, Edwarde's book is a joy to reread).

Will have to check out the Iron Duke site to see what treasures await!
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Atheling on 10 January 2020, 06:52:44 AM
Will have to check out the Iron Duke site to see what treasures await!

You will not be disappointed.  There's a plethora of information- uniforms guides, Cawnpore - Lucknow, the Siege of Delhi, Battle of Agra, Organisation of regiments (British and Indian), Uniform Guides (British and Indian) and even a glossary!




 
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: WillieB on 10 January 2020, 02:53:11 PM
All excellent suggestions- especially the Iron Duke site!-
Will get Rifles and Kukris as I hadn't even heard of that one yet.

If allowed I would like to add They Fight Like Devils from Kinsley, again about the siege of Lucknow which I found a good read,  and A matter of Honour by Philp Mason. Now the latter isn't strictly about the Indian Mutiny but gives a great insight in all things that led to it as well.
 
Images of Delhi 1857 ( Jason Askew) is a booklet of some 20 Illustrations (sketches and colour drawings)  that are so characterful you'll immediately want to start painting!
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RichBliss on 10 January 2020, 03:46:08 PM
I’ll second ‘The Last Mughal’. It’s excellently written with a rare look at a portion of the conflict from the Mutineer side. 
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Atheling on 10 January 2020, 04:32:20 PM
I’ll second ‘The Last Mughal’. It’s excellently written with a rare look at a portion of the conflict from the Mutineer side.

This is a very important point. I wonder what's available translated from the various languages in India (hopefully without the jingoism that both nations have at various points been guilty of?

Does anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Andrew_McGuire on 10 January 2020, 06:11:44 PM
(Actually the link above just leads to the Saul book on Amazon)

Wow! I wasn't aware of the British Army study one- thanks :)

I wasn't aware of it either until yesterday, it just came up on Amazon while I was looking for the David book (which I now see had already been mentioned). Apologies for duplicating the link. Here's the correct one, hopefully:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mutiny-Insurgency-India-1857-58-British-ebook/dp/B00BCOW25E/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=T+A+Heathcote&qid=1578679513&s=books&sr=1-8

Heathcote has written other books on the British army in India, which you will find if you click on his name on Amazon. I've a feeling one was published by Foundry, though I don't see it listed.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: OB on 10 January 2020, 06:54:19 PM
This is a very important point. I wonder what's available translated from the various languages in India (hopefully without the jingoism that both nations have at various points been guilty of?

Does anyone have any ideas?

Dalrymple has a new book on the HEIC which might shed some light.  I'm reading it but have not got to the Mutiny yet. 

What we really need is someone like Amarpal Singh Sidhu to do for the Mutiny what he did for the Sikh Wars.  Who knows Amarpal himself might do it.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RedRowan on 10 January 2020, 06:55:34 PM
This is great stuff, going to keep me busy for a while!

Steve
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: bergschotten on 11 January 2020, 09:25:45 AM
Siege of Krishnapur by J G Farrel,a fictionalized account and very good.

I would second that it's a fantastic book.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: bergschotten on 11 January 2020, 11:24:33 AM
I would also add Flashman and the Great Game, GMF whatever you think of him and his values, really can convey a sense of place and time all be it through the lens of Flashy. ;)
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: OB on 11 January 2020, 12:06:36 PM
Yes, the Siege of Krishnapur is an utterly brilliant novel.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Arundel on 11 January 2020, 04:33:02 PM
Not sure it adds much to the discussion at this point, but I must admit to loving Hibbert's book - a superb read and great introduction to the period.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RedRowan on 11 January 2020, 07:01:53 PM
Friend of mine mentioned Flashman and the Great Game too so I ordered myself a copy and it arrived today along with the copy of Our Bones.

The Siege of Krishnapur looks like a good read to so I‘ve added that to the wish list as well. It really is a fascinating period.

Steve
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: levied troop on 12 January 2020, 09:11:09 AM
If you’re looking for more detail, Sir John Kaye
/Colonel Malleson’s History of the Indian Mutiny is virtually a first-hand account with some great detail for scenarios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bruce_Malleson

If I recall correctly, the Hibbert book (which is excellent) drew on a lot of Kaye/Malleson.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: bergschotten on 12 January 2020, 09:25:50 AM
Not sure it adds much to the discussion at this point, but I must admit to loving Hibbert's book - a superb read and great introduction to the period.

I agree Christopher Hibbert's is suberb writer (I have just had a look and I have his books on Garibaldi, the Medici, the Mutiny Rome and Florence) and they are all informed and very accessable giving the reader a well measured overview of the subject.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: WillieB on 13 January 2020, 04:02:33 PM
The Kaye/ Malleson books ( six volumes) can be downloaded freely from https://archive.org/details/texts?and%5B%5D=indian+mutiny&sort=-downloads&page=1
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: RedRowan on 13 January 2020, 06:39:40 PM
The Kaye/ Malleson books ( six volumes) can be downloaded freely from https://archive.org/details/texts?and%5B%5D=indian+mutiny&sort=-downloads&page=1

That’s a really useful link, many thanks for that.

Steve
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: AndyG on 13 January 2020, 08:48:19 PM
All the absolute are worth a read, particularly Are bones are scattered. The British in India 1825 - 1857 by John  French in the Foundry series is pretty good. For uniforms I’d swop if for all the Ospreys and it has every thing from Bhurtpore to the Mutiny inc 1st Afghanistan the Sikh wars and all sorts of more obscure actions.

It’s not an overview of the mutiny as such but it’s packed with detail on the particpents, uniforms, colours etc and also has quite a few battle maps, OOBs etc I should have checked before I posted but I think there is a Kindle version given the high price for hard copies
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: Atheling on 13 January 2020, 10:24:22 PM
All the absolute are worth a read, particularly Are bones are scattered. The British in India 1825 - 1857 by John  French

Jeez! I totally forgot about John French's book!! I have a copy of it too  o_o

AndyG is 100% correct. It is an essential book for anyone playing Indian Mutiny games.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: levied troop on 14 January 2020, 08:17:49 AM
The Kaye/ Malleson books ( six volumes) can be downloaded freely from https://archive.org/details/texts?and%5B%5D=indian+mutiny&sort=-downloads&page=1

Fantastic link! Thanks for that, I’d only read two of the volumes so far.
Title: Re: Books on Indian Mutiny?
Post by: WillieB on 14 January 2020, 09:15:11 PM

double posted apparently- ignore