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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Johnny Boy on March 08, 2020, 09:29:16 AM
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In recent years on a professional painters
advice I started using Daler Rowney Acrylic Matt Varnish that is applied with a brush. Beautifully flat finish, to the point metallics needed retouching with a Satin varnish occasion. However, I'm really struggling to source some and wondered if there is a good alternative anyone uses. GW stormshield and Vallejo both seem to have a slight shine.
Many thanks in advance
JB
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Windsor & Newton Galeria matt varnish
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Windsor & Newton Galeria matt varnish
Given it's Windsor and Newton I imagine that stuff is a great product. This (https://www.goldenpaints.com/products/varnish-top-coat/msa-varnish) looks like serious shit too but I have never used it. Probably too expensive to experiment with.
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I get decent results from Vallejo matte varnish mixed with a little water. It's bubbly when first applied but dries just fine.
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Both Vallejo's Matt Acrylic Varnish (https://acrylicosvallejo.com/en/producto/crafts/auxiliaries-decorative-arts/matt-acrylic-varnish/) and Winsor & Newton's acrylic Matt UV Varnish (https://www.jacksonsart.com/en-us/winsor-newton-professional-acrylic-medium-matt-uv-varnish-125ml) have worked well in the past. My avatar picture model was varnished with the Vallejo one. Both have zero odour, Vallejo's dries very fast and W&N is a bit elastic if layered in several layers (perhaps protects better from dings). Note that the W&N one is often sold with a slightly differing label than the one shown in the link, but it's the same stuff nonetheless.
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Marabu matt varnish dries... matt:
https://www.marabu-creative.com/en/product_family/marabu-matt-varnish-contains-solvents-1108/
But it is not acrylic, you need white spirit for dilution and brush cleansing.
Milo.
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Windsor & Newton Galeria matt varnish
same, very happy with it after some spray debacles
Alex
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Many thanks to you all, nothing like first hand knowledge of something. On the subject of which I have had some very pleasing results for a flat finish with the AK interactive range of paints. I also spotted today there is an AK interactive Ultra Matte Varnish. Anyone used it? If it's as flat as the Paint it could be a go to?
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same, very happy with it after some spray debacles
Alex
Another vote for W&N for the exact same reasons.
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AK do a matte and an ultra matte. Ultra is tooooooo matte if used over a gloss, you'll get slightly opague 'white' sections in recesses. The matte is a bit more forgiving.
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Windsor and Newton galeria the oil based stuff, on top of an acrylic gloss, best stuff ever, make sure you stir it well!
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The Golden matte varnish is also excellent.
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As always a great help and many thanks for the replies. I'm leaning towards the Windsor and Newton as this seems the most recommended. I'll try and get some this weekend and let you know how I get on.
Thanks again
JB
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I've used Vallejo for all my more recent models, as the Windsor & Newton we get here in the New World seems to be off in some regard.
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That's interesting Fram, my last bottle of the Daler Rowney Acrylic Matt Varnish stripped Enamel black primer I had applied with better better results than anything I've used to try and do that! My second choice was the AK interactive varnish so I may go with that. 🤔
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Another vote for Galleria Matt Varnish.
I have in the past added some Tamiya Flat Base X - 21 to the mix, but in recent years have not bothered.
https://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/2009/04/matt-varnish-my-latest-recipe.html (https://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/2009/04/matt-varnish-my-latest-recipe.html)
Good luck.
Tony
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I've used Vallejo for all my more recent models, as the Windsor & Newton we get here in the New World seems to be off in some regard.
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I’m in the Old World but switched to Vallejo about 18 months ago for a similar reason. I’d bought two new bottles (different outlets) of Galleria Matt but both left a prominent shine.
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Generally speaking gloss lacquer has an edge over matt lacquer when it comes to durability. For this reason I use a off-the-shelf gloss rattle can lacquer over the paint job, which I cover with a really thin layer of brushon matt acrylic lacquer.
I use this brand...
(https://panduro.com/ArticleImages/565x565/244351_01.webp)
Dirt cheap and very effective.
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Windsor & Newton Galeria matt varnish, too. I can even get it through my airbrush without thinning .
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+10 for Galleria from W&N. :)
For those who tried it and found it shiny, its best left upside down to settle, and only use the residue from inside the cap. It's also important to slap it on and leave it as if you go back to touch it up when it's only half dry it spoils the finish and it's really hard to correct with subsequent coats. I'd recommend leaving it a good 12 hours before retouching.
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AK do a matte and an ultra matte. Ultra is tooooooo matte if used over a gloss, you'll get slightly opague 'white' sections in recesses. The matte is a bit more forgiving.
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Sorry, got a bit "button happy" there and only just realised. Quite right Jagannath, I had a bottle of AK Ultra come through the post yesterday and sure enough there were the opaque patches. I'll have to save it for vehicles that need an extreme flat finish. Then tomorrow it's off to the shops for a Windsor and Newton Galleria and try again. Back to the drawing board as they say!
Many thanks again to one and all for your input and rest assured I'll keep you posted.
Cheers
Johnny Boy
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The Matte (not Ultra Matte) is quite good, worth trying.
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Another vote for Galleria Matt Varnish. I still add Tamiya Flat Base to the mix. Probably picked that up from dampfpanzerwagon years ago. :)
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I use Windsor and Newton Artists Acrylic Matt UV Varnish. Shake the bottle for 20 seconds and apply with a brush. It does the job very well.